Can't seem to change et al abbreviation

nejben77

Thanks in advance for any help.

I have just changed a csl for the first time successfully (changing the Harvard style 1, to a colon before the page number, and removing disambiguation). However, despite the seemingly clear instructions on changing et al abbreviations on http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/style_editing_step-by-step, I cannot seem to get the style to cite Howard et al 2003, rather than Howard, Smith & Adams 2003.

Here is what I believe is the line in my style:
<bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="3" et-al-use-first="1">

Shouldn't this be working? I can copy the whole csl if need be.

nejben77

To save time, here is the code:

<style xmlns="http://purl.org/net/xbiblio/csl" class="in-text" version="1.0" demote-non-dropping-particle="sort-only">
<info>
<title>Harvard Reference Kent style (author-date)</title>
<id>http://www.zotero.org/styles/harvard1</id>;
<link href="http://www.zotero.org/styles/harvard1" rel="self"/>
<author>
<name>Julian Onions</name>
<email>julian.onions@gmail.com</email>
</author>
<category citation-format="author-date"/>
<category field="generic-base"/>
<updated>2012-04-03T13:46:03+00:00</updated>
<summary>The Harvard author-date style</summary>
<link href="http://libweb.anglia.ac.uk/referencing/harvard.htm" rel="documentation"/>
<rights>
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
</rights>
</info>
<macro name="editor">
<names variable="editor" delimiter=", ">
<name and="symbol" initialize-with=". " delimiter=", "/>
<label form="short" prefix=", " text-case="lowercase" suffix="." strip-periods="true"/>
</names>
</macro>
<macro name="anon">
<text term="anonymous" form="short" text-case="capitalize-first" strip-periods="true"/>
</macro>
<macro name="author">
<names variable="author">
<name name-as-sort-order="all" and="symbol" sort-separator=", " initialize-with="." delimiter-precedes-last="never" delimiter=", "/>
<label form="short" prefix=" " suffix="." text-case="lowercase" strip-periods="true"/>
<substitute>
<names variable="editor"/>
<text macro="anon"/>
</substitute>
</names>
</macro>
<macro name="author-short">
<names variable="author">
<name form="short" and="symbol" delimiter=", " delimiter-precedes-last="never" initialize-with=". "/>
<substitute>
<names variable="editor"/>
<names variable="translator"/>
<text macro="anon"/>
</substitute>
</names>
</macro>
<macro name="access">
<choose>
<if variable="URL">
<text value="Available at:" suffix=" "/>
<text variable="URL"/>
<group prefix=" [" suffix="]">
<text term="accessed" text-case="capitalize-first" suffix=" "/>
<date variable="accessed">
<date-part name="month" suffix=" "/>
<date-part name="day" suffix=", "/>
<date-part name="year"/>
</date>
</group>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="title">
<choose>
<if type="bill book graphic legal_case legislation motion_picture report song thesis" match="any">
<text variable="title" font-style="italic"/>
</if>
<else>
<text variable="title"/>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="publisher">
<group delimiter=": ">
<text variable="publisher-place"/>
<text variable="publisher"/>
</group>
</macro>
<macro name="year-date">
<choose>
<if variable="issued">
<date variable="issued">
<date-part name="year"/>
</date>
</if>
<else>
<text term="no date" form="short"/>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="edition">
<choose>
<if is-numeric="edition">
<group delimiter=" ">
<number variable="edition" form="ordinal"/>
<text term="edition" form="short" suffix="." strip-periods="true"/>
</group>
</if>
<else>
<text variable="edition" suffix="."/>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="pages">
<group>
<label variable="page" form="short" suffix=" "/>
<text variable="page"/>
</group>
</macro>
<citation>
<layout prefix="(" suffix=")" delimiter="; ">
<group delimiter=": ">
<group delimiter=" ">
<text macro="author-short"/>
<text macro="year-date"/>
</group>
<text variable="locator"/>
</group>
</layout>
</citation>
<bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="3" et-al-use-first="1">
<sort>
<key macro="author"/>
<key variable="title"/>
</sort>
<layout>
<text macro="author" suffix=","/>
<date variable="issued" prefix=" " suffix=".">
<date-part name="year"/>
</date>
<choose>
<if type="bill book graphic legal_case legislation motion_picture report song" match="any">
<group prefix=" " delimiter=" " suffix=",">
<text macro="title"/>
<text macro="edition"/>
<text macro="editor"/>
</group>
<text prefix=" " suffix="." macro="publisher"/>
</if>
<else-if type="chapter paper-conference" match="any">
<text macro="title" prefix=" " suffix="."/>
<group prefix=" " delimiter=" ">
<text term="in" text-case="capitalize-first"/>
<text macro="editor"/>
<text variable="container-title" font-style="italic" suffix="."/>
<text variable="collection-title" suffix="."/>
<text variable="event" suffix="."/>
<group suffix="." delimiter=", ">
<text macro="publisher" prefix=" "/>
<text macro="pages"/>
</group>
</group>
</else-if>
<else-if type="thesis">
<group prefix=" " suffix="." delimiter=". ">
<text macro="title"/>
<text variable="genre"/>
<text macro="publisher"/>
</group>
</else-if>
<else>
<group suffix=".">
<text macro="title" prefix=" "/>
<text macro="editor" prefix=" "/>
</group>
<group prefix=" " suffix=".">
<text variable="container-title" font-style="italic"/>
<group prefix=", ">
<text variable="volume"/>
<text variable="issue" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
</group>
<group prefix=", ">
<label variable="page" suffix="." form="short" strip-periods="true"/>
<text variable="page"/>
</group>
</group>
</else>
</choose>
<text prefix=" " macro="access" suffix="."/>
</layout>
</bibliography>
</style>

nejben77

Resolved: No problem, I had deleted the citation code along with the disambiguation, now retrieved and working. Hooray!

adamsmith

you want to put those under cs:citation as in
<citation et-al-min="3" et-al-use-first="1">
you have this for the bibliography only.

nejben77

I guessed I had done something like that, but thanks for your reply.

nejben77

I have a new issue I cannot figure out, how do I change a comma to a period after a book title so that is goes from this:

Bateson, G., 1972. Steps to an Ecology of Mind, Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

to this:

Bateson, G., 1972. Steps to an Ecology of Mind. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Thanks in advance.

adamsmith

it's set in the 2nd line here:

<if type="bill book graphic legal_case legislation motion_picture report song" match="any">
<group prefix=" " delimiter=" " suffix=",">
<text macro="title"/>
<text macro="edition"/>
<text macro="editor"/>
</group>

you should change suffix="," to suffix="."