Need help with coding

Underbart

Hi,

I am trying to modify the CMoS style to work with the requirements from my school. My school does not encourage the use of ibid so I have tried to remove it from the style. The other thing I want to do is to show the full title when I cite a source for the first time. After trying out different modifications I am very close, but there is a problem when I try to cite legal cases and bills. The problem is that I get an extra comma between the title and the year.

Example:
XXX, , 2007.

I have tried to work it out but without any luck. So if anyone can give me some pointers that would be great. Here is the copy of the code that i have modified.


<choose>
<if position="ibid-with-locator">
<group delimiter=", ">
<text macro="title-short"/>
<text macro="point-locators-subsequent"/>
</group>
</if>
<else-if position="ibid">
<text macro="title-short"/>
</else-if>
<else>
<group delimiter=", ">
<text macro="contributors"/>
<text macro="title"/>
<text macro="issue"/>
<text macro="point-locators-subsequent"/>
</group>
</else>
</choose>

Gracile

Can you post the full code at https://gist.github.com/ and post a link here?

Underbart

Here, I hope this is correctly done

https://gist.github.com/1844826

Underbart

Just to make it clear the ideal solution would be for bills and legal cases to be displayed as with only the title (this also applies to the bibliography too) and books with "author, title, issue, place, year". Is this possible?

adamsmith

There are "no ibid" versions of both the "Note" and the "Full Note" version of CMoS on the repository. These don't work correctly? (why not?)
Troubleshooting edits to CMoS is a lot of work, if possible I'd try to avoid that.

Underbart

Ok Ill look into that. Is it possible to modify it to show the full title in the first citation?

adamsmith

Sure. Find the macro="title-short" and remove the two instances of form="short" from the lines starting with <text variable="title"

Underbart

That does not work. The ideal solution would be that the full title is used the first time a source appears in the text and then the short title is used after that. Is this possible or should I manually enter the citation the first time?

Underbart

btw the file from the repository worked, so the ibid "problem" is now sorted.

adamsmith

Yes it's possible, you'll have to play with <else-if="subsequent"
Have a look at the full note style for a template.

Underbart

That worked! I copied the whole "subsequent" section from the full note style and removed the -note from the macros so that it would work with the cmos "note" version.

The only thing now that confuses me is then I have a book with two authors it shows up like this:

"Rosén, Karl, og Dag Henden Torsteinsen, Eiendomsmegling - Rettslige spørsmål. 2. utg. Oslo, 2008, s. 375"

On the first author his name is displayed as "last name, first name" but on the second its "first name last name" with no comma between.

Shouldn't it be displayed as:

"Karl Rosén og Dag Henden Torsteinsen, Eiendomsmegling - Rettslige spørsmål. 2. utg. Oslo, 2008, s. 375"

or

"Rosén, Karl og Torsteinsen, Dag Henden, Eiendomsmegling - Rettslige spørsmål. 2. utg. Oslo, 2008, s. 375"

I also don't know why there is a comma after the first authors last name before the "og" (Norwegian for and)

Is there a programming explanation for this, or is this just how the style is?

adamsmith

This is how bibliographies are supposed to look in CMoS - since they're sorted by last name, the first author is cited lastname, firstname, other authors aren't. For footnotes you should - in correct CMoS, have all authors as firstname lastname.

Underbart

Okay.

So why does it show "Lastname, Firstname and firstname lastname" in the footnotes then?

I have used the CMoS style from the repository so it should be correct CMoS.

adamsmith

because you "removed the -note from the macros"