Getting bibliographic styles to work as labelled

EdBBsnr
Hi:

I have just started using Zotero for an annotated bibliography - Chicago Style - full notes.
If I try to create one using the Word plug-in, all I get is the journal reference without the note. The other two Chicago options produce exactly the same result.
However, if I use the HTML output option, the "full note" style works just fine, albeit needs some formatting.
What am I doing wrong?
I've re-installed the Word 2007 plug-in and it seems to be working fine.
Ed
  • adamsmith
    edited May 18, 2010
    if you create an entry with the word-plugin, you create a citation - not a bibliography.
    For the annotated bibliography style, only the bibliography is annotated.
    You can create a bibliography using the word-plugin with the insert bibliography button.

    Edit: or maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to do - could you post examples of what you are getting and what you want?
  • EdBBsnr
    Adam:
    I've created a number of items from "Early Canadiana Online" and then attached notes to them that explain the significance of the chosen references.
    When I open Word 2007 and go to the "Add-in" buttons for Zotero, I am directed to 'insert a citation".
    It appears that the only choices I have for the format of the citation is "Footnote" or "Endnote."
    This allows me to insert a citation.

    If I then use the "Insert Bibliography" button, all I get is a repeat of the citation, formatted differently. Choosing a Chicago "Full Note Bibliography" style doesn't seem to make any difference. See the example below. It has a note attached in Zotero, but it doesn't accompany the citation.


    “Early Canadiana Online - Appendix to the fifteenth volume of the journals of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Canada ... 26th February to the 10th June, 1857 ... twentieth year of the reign of ... Queen Victoria : being the 3rd session of the 5,” n.d. http://canadiana.org/view/9_00955_15_9/0002.

    I would like to get the citation plus any and all attached notes, etc. This does seem to work when I create such a bibliography in Zotero as HTML, rather than RTF format.

    Ed
  • adamsmith
    oh OK - you can't use the notes in a citation - Zotero/csl doesn't access them in the citation. There is, I believe, a Chicago annotated style in the repository, which puts whatever is in the Extra (or Abstract, not sure, both are possible) field in a paragraph below the item in the bibliography.

    Full Note might be a confusing name, in the context of Chicago Manual of Style it means that the first citation (endnote or footnote) of an item has the complete bibliographic information, rather than an abbreviated form ("Note").

    I don't know why this works with html for you - maybe you have the item and the attached note selected when you export from Zotero?

    An alternative that also prints all the notes is to use "generate report" from within Zotero.
  • EdBBsnr
    Adam:
    Thanks for the clarifications. Whether trying RTF or HTML, I selected the item and the attached note, but it only worked in HTML. I guess this means that I could generate a bibliography with notes in HTML, copy it over to Word, and reformat.

    I'll take a look again at "generate report".

    Ed
  • EdBBsnr
    Adam:

    It appears that my HTML "success" was actually achieved by selecting the items, choosing "Generate Report ....". This pops it up in the FF screen. From there I highlighted the report, used CRTL-C and pasted it into Word 2007.
    Some reformatting ( setting up a Word "style") gives me a good beginning on the annotated Chicago "full notes and bibliography".
    More than one way to skin a cat, I guess.
    Thanks again,

    Ed
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