[search engine window] Cancel button

Greetings!
I started using the tool and getting used to it, but directly something popped right into my eye.

In the window for managing the search engine, i am missing a cancel button.
Sure, the [x] will word, but it is damn confusing and not to what we are used to from dialogs.
Additional I would prefer to rename the "-" to a proper button text like "remove selected".
Additionally the center button has its problem with the length of the text.

Kind regards.
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  • edited 14 days ago
    No, there's absolutely nothing unusual about that. It's a settings window, not a prompt or alert window where there would be accept/cancel buttons. Just like the main settings window, Plugins, Advanced Search, etc., you close it when you're done with it.

    But we'll replace the "-" button and see if we can improve the button sizing in non-English locales.
  • edited 14 days ago
    Okay, agree to disagree. My experience seems to be a different one than yours.
    See it as an improvement of user experience.

    Using buttons like "OK" and "Cancel" gives you the assurance your actions is saved or not. (see https://ux.stackexchange.com/a/17510)

    Even global option windows with big collections of options do have this choice.
    See eclipse, vscode, Firefox,....

    I don't think the users guidance is clearly defined in this window.
    The primary action could be "OK" and secondary action would be "Cancel".
    It is not an image or an text I just want to look at and close the window afterwards.
    It is an action I perform. And I want to be sure that this action has its resulting effect or not, especially since it's an extra window. Closing a window with the [X] does not give me any confirmation about what is about to happen, but the window to be closed, autosave isn't a standard.

    Bonus: Maybe here a German message is missing for "toggle" and it defaults to English.

    The window does it's job, but I would appreciate a reconsideration of the user experience.

    Edit: overread your part of remodeling the "-". Removed my part on it.
  • edited 13 days ago
    Even global option windows with big collections of options do have this choice.
    See eclipse, vscode, Firefox,....
    That's not true? I don't have Eclipse installed, but the VS Code and Firefox settings just open in tabs, and they don't have OK/Cancel buttons — you just change settings and they update immediately. (If you open certain sub-settings from within the main Firefox settings, you get modal windows with OK/Cancel, but we're not talking about a modal window.) Like VS Code and Firefox settings, and like the main Zotero settings window, changes here apply immediately, so it wouldn't even make sense to have a Cancel button — it would have to awkwardly keep track of changes and undo any that had already taken effect. That's part of why this mostly isn't done anymore.

    Even the main Windows settings, which do open in a dedicated window, save changes immediately and are closed with X.
    Closing a window with the [X] does not give me any confirmation about what is about to happen, but the window to be closed, autosave isn't a standard.
    Sorry, but you're just wrong here. Settings windows on Windows used to more commonly work the way you're describing — the Firefox preferences used to work that way a long time ago, and you can still see it in the Properties window in File Manager, for example, or in the Word settings — but having changes apply immediately without OK/Cancel buttons is the way settings windows work in most modern software (and, for what it's worth, is also how they've always worked on macOS).
  • (Honestly I think the main reason you were confused here is because of the poorly sized/labeled buttons in the German locale. Because I promise you you use plenty of apps that don't have OK/Cancel buttons in their settings and don't think twice about it.)
  • > That's not true? I don't have Eclipse installed, but the VS Code and Firefox settings just open in tabs, and they don't have OK/Cancel buttons

    You're absolutely right. I messed that up. I really did remember that the wrong way.

    > the Firefox preferences used to work that way a long time ago, and you can still see it in the Properties window in File Manager, for example,
    That's probably why. The modals inside the settings still work with that.
    Like you said, some other applications with older(!) user interfaces are kept in that way.
    Also apps and smartphones do use settings like that, since modals with buttons aren't really a big thing around that context. Maybe I was a little harsh.

    Since zotero already has a global settings window, maybe putting the search engine setting into that context would be a considerable move.

    Thank you for your time and setting me straight :)
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