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- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeDec 9th 2011 edited
Dan:Well, the real fix would be to get rid of the visible markup—which works because the citation processor supports it, not Zotero itself—and just use a stripped down rich-text interface for titles. People shouldn't have to enter HTML themselves.
That's not the only, or even necessarily the best, solution. You could also allow a simple text-based markup, and then do as reimerth suggests. This is how Google+ works, for example, and has the great advantage that it doesn't add yet more clutter to an already cramped UI. -
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CommentAuthorRintze
- CommentTimeDec 9th 2011
Or perhaps allow shortcuts (like ctrl/command-b for bold) to be used when text is selected in the title field. -
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- CommentAuthorDan Stillman
- CommentTimeDec 9th 2011
Bruce: There wouldn't be any added clutter. It would use keyboard shortcuts, as Rintze says, which are more discoverable and user-friendly than markup.
If there are things other than bold and italics that would need to be in there, markup might make more sense, but I don't see any advantage to markup otherwise. -
- CommentAuthorDan Stillman
- CommentTimeDec 9th 2011 edited
I guess there's superscript/subscript... But we could also extend the context menu for this if we needed to. Bold/italics via shortcuts, and bold/italics/super/sub in the context menu. -
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CommentAuthorRintze
- CommentTimeDec 9th 2011
There is more variation in shortcuts for superscript/subscript, but I don't see why we couldn't adopt the shortcuts from another program. E.g.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/make-text-superscript-or-subscript-HP005189455.aspx
Superscript: Press CTRL+SHIFT+=
Subscript: Press CTRL+=
http://www.apple.com/support/pages/shortcuts/
Make text superscript Control-Command-plus sign (+)
Make text subscript Control-Command-minus sign (-)
That leaves just "small caps". -
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- CommentAuthorreimerth
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
The MS Word shortcut for small caps is CTRL+SHIFT+K. -
- CommentAuthorasplundj
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011 edited
MS word shortcuts are locale-specific. Very annoying since I have English version on one computer and Swedish on another. -
- CommentAuthorajlyon
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
Well, Zotero will probably settle on one set of shortcuts and stick with it for all locales, at least at first. -
- CommentAuthorasplundj
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
Yes please settle on one set of shortcuts -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
It would use keyboard shortcuts, as Rintze says, which are more discoverable and user-friendly than markup.
I think this may be a YMMV situation. I find markup easier to remember than funky keyboard shortcuts. -
- CommentAuthorDan Stillman
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011 edited
I find markup easier to remember than funky keyboard shortcuts.
I don't think you're the standard case here. And Ctrl/Cmd-I is hardly funky—it's pretty much universal in rich-text editors.
And as I noted above, we can also put these in a context menu when text is selected. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011 edited
I don't think you're the standard case here.
Granted. But I didn't say I was; just suggested there may be different opinions.And Ctrl/Cmd-I is hardly funky—it's pretty much universal in rich-text editors.
I'm not talking about those, but the other cases (though why on earth is there a need for small caps; smalls caps that aren't actually even real small caps?). -
- CommentAuthorDan Stillman
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
I'm not talking about those, but the other cases
OK. I agree with you there, which is why I suggested context menu options for super/sub. There's no particular harm in choosing some shortcuts for super/sub for power users, but I doubt they'd get much use.
Overall, though, I think Ctrl/Cmd-B and Ctrl/Cmd-I plus context menu options are an easy win over markup for general ease of use and discoverability. -
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CommentAuthorRintze
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011 edited
If these shortcuts and/or context menu options are implemented, will their use still insert the HTML-like tags around the selected text (as long as the field is active)? Or will you directly show the formatted text (which might be hard to do in the case of sub/superscript and small caps). -
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- CommentAuthorfbennett
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011 edited
smalls caps that aren't actually even real small caps
If this is a reference to the non-standard markup citeproc-js uses for small caps, I agree that it should recognize <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">. That should be possible, as an alternative to the current shorthand markup. I'll take a look, if that's desired. -
- CommentAuthorDan Stillman
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
will you directly show the formatted text
We'll show formatted text.which might be hard to do in the case of sub/superscript and small caps
Why? -
- CommentAuthorajlyon
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
fbennett: I think Bruce was referring to the fact that small caps are often simulated, since most fonts don't have, as typography geeks would prefer, a separate set of small caps glyphs. -
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CommentAuthorRintze
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2011
Uhh, I figured it might be hard to render. Maybe I spend too much time in plain text editors. -
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- CommentAuthormpjohans
- CommentTimeMar 13th 2012
Just today discovered that formatting titles now works, great, and thanks devs! No more hand editing of the refs in Word. The present implementation comes with a drawback, though: Searching for titles (which I use quite often) requires that you format your search string, too. For example, the title stored as:
Nanosecond electron tunneling between the hemes in cytochrome <i>bo</i><sub>3</sub>
is not found if searching simply for, say, cytochrome bo3.
Any plans of introducing an option to ignore formatting in the search function? Or maybe it's there already, and I just haven't found it... -
- CommentAuthoradamsmith
- CommentTimeMar 13th 2012 edited
Searching for titles (which I use quite often) requires that you format your search string, too. For example, the title stored as:
that sounds like it should be fixed - ticket created
https://github.com/zotero/zotero/issues/81

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