Bug: PC App - "Website" Item type for new item

edited yesterday at 8:21pm
Hi folks - not sure where else to post this, but in the PC desktop version the option to add a "website" item type does not exist in the new item button on the top left.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u624059/geapte3wm5dk6aki9gjz.png

The last item "type" is video recording.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u624059/lryvmiunsvdo9vezm3lc.png

HOWEVER, once you have a new item, you can change it to a website - as follows:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u624059/a6cgmjetp3ad2cl7lrrk.png

It would be really nice if the "Add new item" button included "Website" in the dropdown menu. Thanks!!
  • Thanks @adamsmith - I've been fairly frustrated by trying to add websites to zotero direct from browser. They often incorrectly drop in wrong or incomplete information, simply because so many websites are likely configured poorly, and inconsistently. Further, I sometimes have external URL's that I want to drop directly into a new item from a word doc, and would prefer not to have to go to the browser to open the link but just go direct to the new item and input things more quickly myself rather than make the corrections from the inaccurate information imported from the metadata.

    For whatever reason, there are times when I want to configure a new item manually that is a website, and it seems strange that Zotero would enforce useability in a certain way rather than give a user the choice. Just my two cents.
  • It's explained in the above link WHY it's not included. It only is one extra click once you know. ;)
  • Thanks @damnation but the amount of times I've gone to do that and fussed about before I remembered that I could change it in the other menu is many. I often use zotero a lot for a couple of weeks and then not at all for a month or two.

    This assumption about WHY is dubious: "it's almost always better to visit a webpage in your browser and use the “Save to Zotero” button,"

    And second, really not clear to me what efficiencies it creates by having one less item on that drop-down menu, and creating an inconsistency between the other drop-down menu within the new item.

    I'm not going to the mat on this and if it's a pain for Zotero programmers to change, well too bad for me (Zotero overall is still an amazing tool), but for my usage habits it's become annoying enough that I posted on the forums about it. :)
  • dstillman Zotero Team
    edited yesterday at 9:13pm
    The point is to strongly encourage you to save via the browser:

    https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/comment/509902/#Comment_509902

    Other than a site no longer being online, there is essentially no reason you should ever create a webpage item manually.

    If a site's data isn't being saved correctly, you should report it in a new thread here so that we can try to fix it for all users, not give up on Zotero's defining feature.
  • To clarify @dstillman. I use the connector all the time. It is fantastic when visiting websites that are correctly configured such as NY Times, or academic journal websites. I strongly encourage my students and colleagues to use it.

    BUT for many websites, it downloads information and puts the information in the wrong place, and this is likely because of massively inconsistent, poorly informed, and/or lazy behavior by website creators. For instance, they use short forms instead of spelled out full names, and those names are in the wrong places.

    And, as a user, I would prefer to SAVE time by manually inputting the data instead of having to determine which data is wrong, move it around, delete it, etc.

    So the connector via browser is a great feature when you have properly configured websites. When websites are poorly designed (60% and up) it is a poor feature, because the connector cannot evaluate which mistakes are in play on any given poorly designed website's metadata.

    This is not about fixing Zotero's defining feature, it's about the inability to fix human design of website content and metadata.

    I'd generally argue that product design should allow for some degree of human choice in determining how they want to use it. And I'd also argue for consistency in menus in terms of item type choices. Again, my two cents, and I remain very grateful for the ongoing work of the entire zotero enterprise.
  • Again, if you get incorrect data from a site, you should report it.
  • (I still think this comes up often enough that you should change the approach here, as I thought was planned anyway?)
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