ADD ability to Mark Multiple items as NOT DUPLICATE rather than Merge them

In a number of cases I have multiple real world copies of the same item and I would like a method to add the same item multiple times into Zotero without it treating them as Duplicates.
A simple serial number in the data record would be the best option here so I can treat activity on each copy of the Item seperately.
I don't want them to appear as Duplicate Items in the Duplicate Items search so they do not accidently get merged when I want them to remain unique for each item.
I have tried adding an extra serial digit to each ISBN but this has no effect on the Duplicate Items search. (ie they still show up there.)
I cannot see any other way I might achieve this without having a dedicated field in the data that the Duplicate Items search can recoginise and deal with appropriately. With an appropliate T/F switch in the search function one could then search for Multiple Copies of Item or Duplicate Items.
  • This is coming relatively soon.
  • @dstillman Thankyou. I am looking forward to it.
  • Has this feature been added? If so, where can I find it?
    Thank you!
  • As it does not seem to be implemented yet, I'm using the Zoplicate plugin for this functionality: https://chenglongma.com/zoplicate/
  • edited 3 days ago
    The need for this is now even more urgent.

    I have a collection of "The Pulpit Commentary" in my collection.

    In spite of the fact that each book is labelled Volume x of nn volumes the Duplicate Items search still shows each record as a Duplicate when it clearly is not.

    I have no idea how this search determines Duplicate entries but I have added sub digits to the ISBN, enumerated each volume and included sub values for each call number.
    e.g. Dewey 220.7, 220.7/1, 220.7/2 etc.

    I have just opened and used the latest whiz bang version of Desktop Zotero promising a better experience but to my mind the changes are merely cosmetic to the Interface.

    Ver 7.0.15 (64-bit)

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  • edited 3 days ago
  • (No need to tag developers)

    See the plugin recommendation above, that should work (Zotero 7 does have a massive amount of new features, even if it doesn't have the one you were looking for).
  • @adamsmith Rather than a Plugin I really think this should be integral to the base design of the system.

    "Duplicate Items" also lists Items of Different Types e.g. Book and Audio recording with the same Title as Duplicate. How can this be?

    In the meantime I am happy to try a 3rd party plugin but I doubt that plugin will remove the "Duplicate Items" system based search. Even some suggestion as to how these items may be rendered/entered as unique/different from each other in some way to prevent "Duplicate Items" from considering them the Same would be of some help. Perhaps if you were to publish the algorithm that shows what criteria are used to determine "Duplicate" might be of some assistance.

    Some years ago, as can be seen from this thread, this request was reported as "in the making", but it hasn't turned up.

    Thank you
  • Here's the documentation of Zotero's duplicate detection feature, as you will see it it very simple (perhaps too simple): https://www.zotero.org/support/duplicate_detection

    I think we all agree that it could be improved and that a way to mark false positives as non-duplicates would be a great progress. It is planned, we haven't seen any outcome yet, but the developers have been busy with many other things. The transition from Zotero 6 to Zotero 7 has been a necessary and non-trivial change. Since there is working plugin, it feels to me as perhaps less urgent than other tasks.

    Try the plugin. See if it works for you, and if it doesn't just remove it :-)
  • "Zotero currently uses the the title, DOI, and ISBN fields to determine duplicates",
    Quoted from https://www.zotero.org/support/duplicate_detection

    The duplicate items in my Library all have different values in the ISBN field in my failed attempt to distinguish one physical item from another. Therefor ISBN/ISSN is of no value in separating Items. Admittedly the difference I used is small containing an addendum to the actual ISBN of the item number in my collection.
    Simply Including the Call Number in this determination would solve the problem. i.e. if the Call Number is different then the Item is different even if all ISBNs are the same.

    There does not seem to be any method of altering the DOI in the record to differentiate them either.

    I have since discovered the "Book Section" item type and I am using it as a "Book Copy" item.
    i.e. I put the main details for Item 0 as "Book" and each actual copy 1,2,3 etc in as "Book Section". This seems to get around the risk of "Duplicate Items" being used accidentally to Merge Items I want kept separate but is slightly inadequate as it mis-describes the article and is really of no help at all for multiple copies of a video recording, audio recording or some other type.
  • In the meantime I am happy to try a 3rd party plugin but I doubt that plugin will remove the "Duplicate Items" system based search.
    You don't have to believe or doubt this, you could have just tried it in the time that you wrote to long posts and have found that, indeed, it does just that (righ-click --> Zoplicate --> They are NOT duplicates)
  • I think plugins should exist to extend Zotero functionality, not to fix it. Detecting false duplicate positives is a Zotero bug, so shouldn't be necessary to install a plugin for solving this.
  • I agree about the role of plugins, but calling false duplicates a bug is too strong in my opinion. It is just not possible to detect duplicate bibliographic records with 100% accuracy. So here it has apparently been a design choice to prefer false positives (that users are free to ignore if they wish) over false negatives.
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