Can I over-ride Ibid?

Skibumtx
Is there any way to force Zotero to repeat the listing of a citation instead of listing Ibid?

Thanks,
Ski
  • adamsmith
    whether Zotero uses ibid or not is part of the style - it's usually pretty simple to take it out.
    For Chicago MOS there is even a style "no ibid" in the repository.
    It's not possible, however, to override individual instances of ibid.
  • Rabindra
    Adam,
    You say that it is easy to take out IBID and instead repeat the citation...but "taking out" ibid would mean having to cut and paste the full citation manually. I would have thought that there would be a style with "no ibid" so that the full citations of a repeated source would appear automatically instead of ibid. However, in my list of styles, I have four version of Chicago (but none of them have a "no ibid" version). Moreover, I cannot find any "full citation" form of footnote that does not have a "no ibid" function. I wasn't sure what you meant by "repository" - I assume you mean the list of styles that comes up in MSWORD when you select "Zotero Set Docs Pref".
    Please Help!!
    Rabindra
  • fbennett
    Here's a link to the repository of CSL styles.
  • adamsmith
    and when I said "take out" I meant "take ibid out of the style" not out of the document - i.e. exactly what you mean by a no ibid style. Creating a no ibid version of a style can be done by any regular user and takes about 5mins (for a beginner - 2mins for someone who knows what she's doing).
  • KDwarka
    Adam,
    I did find the repository of CSL styles including a CSM style that had no ibid. Its called Chicago Manual of Style (Note without Bibliography, No Ibid) (Dev).

    However, the problem with this version is that the full date does not appear. Instead of IBID I get an abbreviated version of the full citation including source and title.

    What I want is a citation style that simply repeats the full citation for each and every source including the author, title, and date for that source.

    By your comments, it sounds like I could "take IBID out of a style" but surely there must be some pre-existing style that already has the function of providing a full complete citation for each and every source.

    No?
  • adamsmith
    I don't know actually. Contrary to what you seem to believe, this is not a common requirement - all the "major" footnoted styles (SBL, MHRC, CMS) call for a shortened citation on subsequent use.
    But as I said - it's very easy to do, I've made one for you, in fact
    go here
    http://gist.github.com/279604
    download using the "Raw" link on the top right
    install by dragging the downloaded file to an open Firefox window.
    The style is call Chicago (always Full note) or something like that.
  • KDwarka
    Adam, I do not know how I can possibly thank you. I just installed the file you made - and it did exactly what I needed. You are the best.
  • KDwarka
    Adam,
    I switched computers and tried to install the style you made for me in january. But it did not work. Is there any way that you could upload the "Always Full Note" style back onto the style repository so that I can just install it directly from preferences?

    Much Thanks!
  • adamsmith
    the style was never on the repository and seems quite ideosyncratic. What isn't working?
  • KDwarka
    I was not able to drag it to the tab in firefox in order to install the style. It just sat there. Strange. However, I was able to find a work around. I executed the file via explorer, got the message about installing a style, and it now works perfectly. This style is REALLY useful for researchers trying to keep track of the sources of their notes while creating outlines and drafts. Much Thanks.

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