2. Newspaper articles include the "location" field after the title (ex pictured below, location highlighted). This isn't EXACTLY part of the Style & didn't occur in Zotero's McGill 9th edition. The guide generally excludes geographic info, unless it is necessary to identify the source (see Guide E.6.12)- in which case it would be in the brackets of the title: Author, "title of article (Location)", newspaper italicized (date) page. If I were designing this style though, I would leave the location field out, and users can choose to add that info to the title field if its necessary. https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/v3kv56p3v5965jhajnj1.png
3. The 10th edition of the McGill guide provides new instruction generally regarding online resources (Guide E.1.6.2). The change is that for traditional sources, like journal articles, statutes, and books (but not cases), if an online source is available, it is encouraged to include that information. Further, the guide provides info on ho to include DOI information (Guide E.1.6.3). It doesn't seem that this is reflected in the style I tested. For example, the journal article shown in the screenshot at item 1 above has DOI information in the metadata, but it was not included.
The issue I'm describing under item 4 below might be a bit too complicated to be accurately fixed in Zotero, they may be just things that users have to manually fix- but figured I'd take a stab at explaining it. 4. When making subsequent references back to a previous citation using supra, the McGill Guide has some rules for establishing short forms. The short form seems to have some issues in Zotero specifically for statues (Guide E.1.4.1.2) and for secondary materials (Guide E.1.4.1.4) Specifically: Where statute has a long title, a short form may be created, but it is necessary that the short title is indicated at the end of the initial citation. I included a screenshot below: footnote 11 is in the initial citation, and it is missing the square barket at the end with the short title, [ORA]. The subsequent reference at footnote 13 uses the short title that I indicated in the metadata. https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/5f8y1xbrxjy256jsmtbw.png
For secondary materials, short forms are generally the author's surname, which is how Zotero is handling it right now. However, this creates issues where there are (a) sources from different authors with the same last name, or (b) multiple articles by the same author, so the Guide recommends specific short forms to address these issues. These adaptations aren't reflected well in Zotero. For (a) sources from different authors with the same last name, the Guide recommends including their first name initial (ex, A LaFrance and S LaFrance). For (b) multiple sources from the same author, the guide recommends creating a short form that consists of the author's surname AND a short title. (ex, [LaFrance, "Tobacco Litigation"]) I am including an example below of what the Zotero 10th ed style does. For reference, the example below is of (a) two different authors with the same last name, so the short form SHOULD be their first initial & last name, no inclusion of the short title: https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/4vvtimm0vvyf8ycchebu.png As you can see, it follows the guidance for (b), multiple articles by the same author. Not only is this wrong - but even if these were two articles by the same author, the initial citation is missing the square bracket introducing the short form, a similar issue to what is indicated above for statutes. IF these were two articles by the same author, the end of the initial citation for footnote 23 should include: [Lafrance, "Tobacco Litigation"], and similar for footnote 24.
Finally, because Zotero treats books, journal articles, etc as separate, it understandably doesn't recognize when the same author is cited for both a book and a journal. However, the McGill guide treats both as secondary sources and thus an adapted short form is necessary to distinguish them. Again - I have no idea of Zotero can fix this one, it might be something that has to be manually addressed by users.
for BIBLIOGRAPHY: The bibliography isn't too bad. A few things that come up: 1. I believe the old edition of guide instructed that, where there are two articles by the same author, the name be skipped with a ______. This has been removed in the 10th edition; instead, the author's name should be repeated in full (if you have access to the full McGill guide, you can see this at the Borrows example at E.1.1). It seems the zotero 10th ed is still doing the old thing: https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/qcl3f8gmfc6en5d8wkm8.png (note - HeinOnline shouldn't be there, that's the library catalogue issue I discussed earlier)
2. Bibliography appropriately separates Legislation (statutes), Jurisprudence (cases), and Secondary Materials. The guide (E.1.1) advises that secondary materials COULD be further broken down into more sections (books, articles) if needed. It seems that the Zotero version organizes it like this: Statutes, Cases, Books, Everything else I would incorporate books with "everything else", or at the very least, include "book sections" item type as part of the books category.
These last two are more wish list items for the bibliography that weren't in Zotero 9th editions, I don't know if they can be done, but they'd make things THAT much closer to the guide's instruction: 3. It would be really cool if the bibliography could include titles for the sections: Legislation, Jurisprudence, and Secondary Materials 4. Ideally, the bibliography should have a hanging indent of 0.63cm for each citation, so that the second and subsequent lines are indented.
Thank you to the people doing the hard work for coding this thing! I hope these notes are helpful.
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I've made some notes on issues I see - please forgive me if these are a tad pedantic, and let me know if there's anything I can clarify!
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1. Journal articles seem to include the "library catalogue" field (ex pictured below, library catalogue highlighted) which is not part of the Style (see Guide E.6.1) & did not occur in Zotero's McGill 9th edition.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/umxe3vq8f0zmnl4aux59.png
2. Newspaper articles include the "location" field after the title (ex pictured below, location highlighted). This isn't EXACTLY part of the Style & didn't occur in Zotero's McGill 9th edition. The guide generally excludes geographic info, unless it is necessary to identify the source (see Guide E.6.12)- in which case it would be in the brackets of the title: Author, "title of article (Location)", newspaper italicized (date) page. If I were designing this style though, I would leave the location field out, and users can choose to add that info to the title field if its necessary.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/v3kv56p3v5965jhajnj1.png
3. The 10th edition of the McGill guide provides new instruction generally regarding online resources (Guide E.1.6.2). The change is that for traditional sources, like journal articles, statutes, and books (but not cases), if an online source is available, it is encouraged to include that information. Further, the guide provides info on ho to include DOI information (Guide E.1.6.3). It doesn't seem that this is reflected in the style I tested. For example, the journal article shown in the screenshot at item 1 above has DOI information in the metadata, but it was not included.
The issue I'm describing under item 4 below might be a bit too complicated to be accurately fixed in Zotero, they may be just things that users have to manually fix- but figured I'd take a stab at explaining it.
4. When making subsequent references back to a previous citation using supra, the McGill Guide has some rules for establishing short forms. The short form seems to have some issues in Zotero specifically for statues (Guide E.1.4.1.2) and for secondary materials (Guide E.1.4.1.4) Specifically:
Where statute has a long title, a short form may be created, but it is necessary that the short title is indicated at the end of the initial citation. I included a screenshot below: footnote 11 is in the initial citation, and it is missing the square barket at the end with the short title, [ORA]. The subsequent reference at footnote 13 uses the short title that I indicated in the metadata.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/5f8y1xbrxjy256jsmtbw.png
For secondary materials, short forms are generally the author's surname, which is how Zotero is handling it right now. However, this creates issues where there are (a) sources from different authors with the same last name, or (b) multiple articles by the same author, so the Guide recommends specific short forms to address these issues. These adaptations aren't reflected well in Zotero. For (a) sources from different authors with the same last name, the Guide recommends including their first name initial (ex, A LaFrance and S LaFrance). For (b) multiple sources from the same author, the guide recommends creating a short form that consists of the author's surname AND a short title. (ex, [LaFrance, "Tobacco Litigation"])
I am including an example below of what the Zotero 10th ed style does. For reference, the example below is of (a) two different authors with the same last name, so the short form SHOULD be their first initial & last name, no inclusion of the short title:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/4vvtimm0vvyf8ycchebu.png
As you can see, it follows the guidance for (b), multiple articles by the same author. Not only is this wrong - but even if these were two articles by the same author, the initial citation is missing the square bracket introducing the short form, a similar issue to what is indicated above for statutes. IF these were two articles by the same author, the end of the initial citation for footnote 23 should include: [Lafrance, "Tobacco Litigation"], and similar for footnote 24.
Finally, because Zotero treats books, journal articles, etc as separate, it understandably doesn't recognize when the same author is cited for both a book and a journal. However, the McGill guide treats both as secondary sources and thus an adapted short form is necessary to distinguish them. Again - I have no idea of Zotero can fix this one, it might be something that has to be manually addressed by users.
for BIBLIOGRAPHY:
The bibliography isn't too bad. A few things that come up:
1. I believe the old edition of guide instructed that, where there are two articles by the same author, the name be skipped with a ______. This has been removed in the 10th edition; instead, the author's name should be repeated in full (if you have access to the full McGill guide, you can see this at the Borrows example at E.1.1). It seems the zotero 10th ed is still doing the old thing:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/qcl3f8gmfc6en5d8wkm8.png
(note - HeinOnline shouldn't be there, that's the library catalogue issue I discussed earlier)
2. Bibliography appropriately separates Legislation (statutes), Jurisprudence (cases), and Secondary Materials. The guide (E.1.1) advises that secondary materials COULD be further broken down into more sections (books, articles) if needed. It seems that the Zotero version organizes it like this:
Statutes, Cases, Books, Everything else
I would incorporate books with "everything else", or at the very least, include "book sections" item type as part of the books category.
These last two are more wish list items for the bibliography that weren't in Zotero 9th editions, I don't know if they can be done, but they'd make things THAT much closer to the guide's instruction:
3. It would be really cool if the bibliography could include titles for the sections: Legislation, Jurisprudence, and Secondary Materials
4. Ideally, the bibliography should have a hanging indent of 0.63cm for each citation, so that the second and subsequent lines are indented.
Thank you to the people doing the hard work for coding this thing! I hope these notes are helpful.
1) example of library catalogue issue in journal articles:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/m71gr0oqflkep1z92boo.png
2) example of newspaper location issue (disregard highlight on author)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/xzc0g9bl85rj58mshltj.png
3) example of statute short title issue:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/9coafg9bvmq358bdeo6h.png
4) example of secondary source short title issue:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/s3gjiooilankeekkkcge.png
5) example of ____ name in bibliography:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u4655716/f4o859lyvv2majjpboi7.png