Help editing CSL Styles

ptornielli
I've been reading this Step-by-Step Guide:

https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/style_editing_step-by-step

... and this user guide:

https://github.com/citation-style-language/csl-editor/wiki/User-guide-for-the-CSL-Editor

Working with bold, italics, commas and so on looks easy, but adding a new "field" (I don't know if this is the correct term) like ISBN, seems to be harder.

I'd like to create a new style that includes ISBN and name it "Chicago-Full-with-Isbn" or "APA-with-ISBN."

I'm already in the part where I loaded e.g. "Chicago Manual of Style 17th edition (full note)" and I'm to edit and download my modified version (with a place to entry ISBN, when available). I can see the visual CSL Editor, a left column with a bunch of macros and ... to be frank I'm not sure where to start.

I guess I need to "add node" (+), but where?

Thanks in advance for any help!

  • damnation
    Chicago is not the easiest to modify, I'm afraid.

    But you are correct, "add node" is the way to go.

    How would you like a book citation to look like. Then we can tell you which macro to edit.
  • ptornielli
    Thank you very much, Damnation!

    Ideally, something like this (Chicago-full):

    Mahmoud Kayyal, Conflict, Hegemony and Ideology in the Mutual Translation of Modern Arabic and Hebrew Literatures (Brill, 2022), https://brill.com/view/title/59711. ISBN 978-90-04-51781-3.

    If that's too hard to modify, then APA-7:

    Kayyal, M. (2022). Conflict, Hegemony and Ideology in the Mutual Translation of Modern Arabic and Hebrew Literatures. Brill. https://brill.com/view/title/59711. ISBN 978-90-04-51781-3.

    The idea is just adding the ISBN info, when available, to the citation and the bibliography, keeping the rest of the style as is.
  • adamsmith
    edited October 24, 2022
    This is actually not hard in the editor.
    For Chicago:
    - On the left, click on "Inline Citation", then fold out "Layout" and "Conditional".
    - Still on the left, select "Else" then press the + Icon for "Add Node"
    - Select "Text" from the pop up
    - In the right bottom panel that opens, select "variable" at the top, then "ISBN" from the dropdown.
    - scroll down a bit and put ". ISBN " into the prefix field.

    Then save the style under a different name, accepting the default changes to ID/link the editor suggests and install in Zotero.

    Doing the same thing with code instead of the visual editor, you'd add
    <text variable="ISBN" prefix=". ISBN "/>
    between </group> and </else> four lines above </citation>

    (this is for the citation. You'd have to do roughly the same with the bibliography)
  • damnation
    First of all, in the VisualEditor you can hover over the various parts of a citation and it'll somewhat guide you to what macro they belong.

    Then, for your request:

    this is best handled in the "issue-note" macro. In there there is a conditional testing for various item types (e.g. article-journal), but a bit further down for items with publisher and publisher-place. Those are booklike items.

    Here you'll see dealth with what is currently "(Brill, 2022)" for you.
    We first add a new group and define a delimiter and put what was in there inside that group.
    Then we call a new variable, ISBN, and add the prefix "ISBN ".

    See this screenshot: https://ibb.co/5cC5TTd
  • adamsmith
    my version is simpler :P
  • damnation
    Haha. I was wondering if you were typing a solution while I was typing mine. ;)
  • ptornielli
    Thank you very much Damnation and AdamSmith! Working fine.

    In case I want to add also the ISSN, I should create a new "group"?
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