Citation edit - how to add smallcaps to name only (not surname) ?

lgdm
Hello guys,

I'm working with the McGill citation style for my PhD and I'm edditing it because there are some erros in the last update (extra space ect) but I would also enjoy to add smallcaps for the name only.

I tried to do it directly throught Notepad following the guide but the main issue is that I don't know how to apply a different font for the name and surname. I'd like to keep the surname with a normal font, and add smalcapps for the name, but when I try to edit it, the smallcaps apply for everything and I cannot found any distinction betwenn name and surname.

Do you think is it even possilbe or I have to apply the same font to the name and surname ?

Thanks for your help!
  • damnation
    edited August 29, 2022
    1. Which McGill stye exactly?
    2. Can you specify the errors you found? We'd like to fix it it for all of your colleagues.

    3. Small caps:

    You'd modify it for example like this to achieve small caps for the family name (the 5th line was added):

    <macro name="contributors-short">
    <group delimiter=" ">
    <names variable="author">
    <name form="short" and="symbol">
    <name-part name="family" font-variant="small-caps"/>
    </name>
    <substitute>
    <names variable="editor"/>
    <names variable="translator"/>
    </substitute>
    </names>
    <text macro="recipient-short"/>
    </group>
    </macro>

    Editing styles, general instructions: https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/style_editing_step-by-step
  • lgdm
    Thanks a lot for your response, I'll try it right now.

    For the McGill, I tried the french and the english version :
    - Manuel canadien de la référence juridique 9e édition (01/01/2022)
    - Canadian Guide to Uniform Legal Citation 9th edition (01/01/2022)

    Now, I'm on the french version, and I don't have a precise list (I'm still checking everything) but for exemple :

    - For many documents, the words "by" is still used whereas its must be normally in french, so I changed it by "par" ;
    - I also saw a lot of extra space after the date for some document (mostly report) / which is not present in the english version

    I'll comment if I see others little issues like this
  • damnation
    I've fixed the "by" issue.

    For the other issue, you'd need to be more specific.

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/citation-style-language/styles/9f6e10b4624e3ed56110ab5aed9fdb48e5eea448/mcgill-fr.csl
  • lgdm
    Thanks a lot damnation, I also added your instruction concerning the small caps and its working perfectly.

    Concerning the other little issue, its a space issue after a comma at the end of the citation. I saw it for two type of documents:
    - Rapport (Report)
    - Proposition de loi (law project)

    Exemple of the problem for the Report, this is my citation :

    Falling short? Why environmental and climate-related disclosures under the EU Non-Financial Reporting Directive must improve, par CLIMATE DISCLOSURE STANDARDS BOARD, 2020 , en ligne : .

    There is an extra space between the "2020" and the "," before "en ligne"

    Also, the reason may be link by the fact that I fill the "extra" blank in zotero in order to put :

    en ligne : .

    Because sometimes I want to put the link of the document. So the issue may be due to the "date" or to the "extra"
  • damnation
    I was able to see where the issue stems from. However, to fix it, I had to make a quite drastic change.

    Can you check if any of the other item types were now affected by this?

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/citation-style-language/styles/61cc17b2d9b65b07fe239fa965d8e1307fb95c25/mcgill-fr.csl
  • lgdm
    I tried many different citation : report, article, project ect... and everything seems to work well !

    Thanks for your help - it will be very useful for many of us.

    Last really little detail in order to be perfect :

    - Concerning the "Thesis", here my citation

    Ana-Maria ILCHEVA, L’entreprise à l’épreuve du changement climatique : obligations et responsabilités Université Côte d’Azur, 2020) [unpublished].

    I realized that the "(" was missing, in order to fix this, I filled the blank "Type" and i added Law Thesis in french. I don't know if its normal or not, so the citation became :

    Ana-Maria ILCHEVA, L’entreprise à l’épreuve du changement climatique : obligations et responsabilités (Thèse de droit, Université Côte d’Azur, 2020) [unpublished].

    You might also change the word "unpublished" here :

    "unpublished" should be changed by "non publiée" in french according to my McGill guide (8th version / paper version).

  • damnation
    edited August 29, 2022
    Thesis:
    I don't have access to the guidelines, but I think that's correct as shown. Please confirm that via the guidelines since you have access to them.
    But I wouldn't use the word "fix" in your case. You only entered the metadata correctly so the style can do its work. ;)

    "unpublished":
    fixed. (note, the style is in the 9th version, but I assume this hasn't changed from 8th to 9th)

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/citation-style-language/styles/e6727263cba5dc4890820a880aa5295afb5e438f/mcgill-fr.csl
  • lgdm
    Perfect !

    And so sorry, I feel so annoying but I saw two more errors :

    - Stefen AYKUT, Conférences climat : « Les COP ne peuvent pas être à l’avant-garde des débats, elles ne sont qu’une chambre d’enregistrement » , 2021.

    There is an extra space after the title and the coma before the date
    This document is an interview, I checked what I entered in Zotero and everything seems fine.

    - Michal NACHMANY et al, Global trends in climate change legislation and litigation , Koninklijke Brill NV, 2017 à la p 4.

    There is also an extra space after the title and the coma."Koninklijke Brill NV" is the Institution, and the document is a Report.
  • damnation
    Your posts are very hard to read. It would help if you styled your posts like this going forward:

    "
    footnote/bibliography
    item type: Report
    Current output: abc...
    Wanted output: abc..."
  • lgdm
    Sorry for that.

    Problem n°1 :

    Footnote
    Item type: Interview
    Current output: Surname Name, Title , Date
    Wanted output: Surname Name, Title, Date
    Issue : extra space

    Problem n°2 :

    Footnote
    Item type: Report
    Current output: Surname Name, Title , Editor, Date
    Wanted output: Surname Name, Title, Editor, Date
    Issue : extra space
  • damnation
    edited August 30, 2022
    Can you try this and also check if you now notice issues with other item types? Again, I had to make some changes that affects other parts of the style.

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/citation-style-language/styles/d6d9ca9d34ba3d1eb050572738d086cb406b6b48/mcgill-fr.csl
  • lgdm
    Thanks for your response.

    Unfortunately, it is not working. Still have problem n°1 and n°2.

    The rest of the footnotes are perfect.
  • damnation
    Could you please use real-world examples?

    I can not replicate your issues and your citation actually looks off. A report would NOT have the author names at the beginning. Report also doesn't have the "Editor" field per default.

    Example report footnote:
    Report über Verkehrsangelegenheiten, National Report, par Hubert Goisern, National Report, Berlin, BMU, 2019.
  • lgdm
    edited August 30, 2022
    Concerning the report footnote :
    - I said "editor" but it was my mistake sorry, I wanted to say "Institution" ;
    - And I usually put the authors name at the beginning AND the Institution's name, it is also possible to do with Zotero but the issue is really after the report's name.

    Problem n°2 :

    Footnote
    Item type: Report
    Current output: Surname Name, Title , Institution, Date
    Wanted output: Surname Name, Title, Institution, Date
    Issue : extra space

    Example report footnote:
    Michal Nachmany et al, Global trends in climate change legislation and litigation , Koninklijke Brill NV, 2017.

    Wanted output : Michal Nachmany et al, Global trends in climate change legislation and litigation, par Koninklijke Brill NV, 2017.

    I tried to fill some information in the different fields on Zotero, and I have for exemple this result :

    Exemple report footnote :
    Michal Nachmany et al, Global trends in climate change legislation and litigation , Test, Koninklijke Brill NV, 2017.


    So the extraspace is definitly in the report's title. Moreover, I don't have the "par" anymore.
  • damnation
    Thank you for the example, but I think you're just using an old style.
    If you use the style I provided above you get the following for a FOOTNOTE:

    Global trends in climate change legislation and litigation, par Michael Nachmany, Koninklijke Brill NV, 2017.

    Please note again, as it is a report it will start with the title and NOT the authors.
  • lgdm
    Would you mind giving me for the last time the new github code that you have ?

    I tried many times to delete my old code and add the one you gave me and I still have the same issue.

    Thanks !
  • damnation
    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/citation-style-language/styles/d6d9ca9d34ba3d1eb050572738d086cb406b6b48/mcgill-fr.csl
  • lgdm
    Gosh, I tried many times adding it directly to my Zotero citation guide by cliking on the link, and I also try to copy past your code to a new one with Notepad++ and modifying the ID in order to make sure that I import a new one : without success, I still have the same issue.

    Ps : I do not have the issue when I'm doing a bibliography.

    Anyway, I guess I'll edit manually, I'll check again the instruction in order to edit the citation, but thanks a lot for you help and sorry for the all the time you spent there

    I have the most important issue fixed so thanks a lot
  • damnation
    edited August 30, 2022
    Could you take a screenshot of that Nachmany entry in Zotero? (upload on Gdrive, Dropbox or https://imgbb.com/ or something alike)

    If it's really entered as item type "report" it should NOT give author names in the beginning.
    Only if it's something else it could come out like the way you showed.
  • lgdm
    I finally have the answer !

    https://ibb.co/86C5V78
    https://ibb.co/j4NrCHV

    First picture shows the entry ; the second picture shows the result in word with 2 different footnote.

    In my entry (first picture), the problem was the text in the "Extra". I never added that by myself, it was autoregistered. That was the cause of my problem.

    In the second picture, you can see the difference :
    - Footnote n°1 is the document when I deleted the entry ;
    - Footnote n°2 is the document when the Extra was filled with "Type: dataset..."

    Anyway, so its working perfectly, thanks again for your patience
  • damnation
    edited August 30, 2022
    Type: dataset just makes it a completely different item type, overriding the "report" which explains my explanation above.
  • lgdm
    Thanks a lot for your help :)
  • lgdm
    Hello again,

    I noticed a last error.

    Footnote
    Item type: Chapter
    Current output: Surname Name, Chapter Title, in Book title Collection, Place, Edition, Date
    Wanted output: Surname Name, Chapter Title, in Book title, Collection, Place, Edition, Date
    Issue : no coma between Book title and Collection

    Example (see also picture if needed) :
    Geoffrey SAMUEL, « Dépasser le fonctionnalisme » dans Comparer les droits, résolument Les voies du droit, Paris, Presses universitaires de France, 2009

    https://ibb.co/DMZw1st
    https://ibb.co/1KfRxy2
  • damnation
    What do the guidelines say? Can you post the example they give?
  • lgdm
    edited August 31, 2022
    The guidline says that "where there are other elements to be added, insert these between the title of the book and the publication information" and they give examples, but I cannot see an example with the "Collection" inserted between the book's title and the publication information.

    I also did a test of the footnote :
    Footnote n°1 : citation as a book
    Footnote n°2 : citation as a chapter in the same book

    You can see the difference which is not logic :

    https://ibb.co/996sVBH

    ps : the red is the book's title so its easier to identify
  • damnation
    No need for the screenshots. But thanks.

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/citation-style-language/styles/545b64740cf4e40e51ef2948cfd29940fe7a8072/mcgill-fr.csl
  • lgdm
    It is working perfectly.

    Thank you damnation for your time :)
  • damnation
    edited September 10, 2022
    Updated style now online: https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=id:mcgill-fr
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