Need full citations for each new chapter
I'm using endnotes with Word 2010 and when I add a reference in chapter 2 to a book I already cited in chapter 1, I need it to give me a full citation. Instead I'm getting a second reference style: author last name, short title, page number.
How can I change this?
Is this a Zotero or a Word problem?
thanks
Don
How can I change this?
Is this a Zotero or a Word problem?
thanks
Don
For many and good reasons I want to work with my book MS as one whole document. This makes everything else work better.
I'm sure I'm not alone with this problem. Can't Zotero be improved to recognize section breaks and start citations over?
I'm using Chicago Style Full Note, I should add.
Thanks for your support. Zotero in the end makes all of this much easier. The work around solution will not be too difficult I don't believe.
Then ... here is where I want help ... click on the first endnote and then click on the "refresh" icon.
Tell me exactly what does refresh do? Does it mean that it resyncs all zotero entries with those in the Word document?
Those links are not going to be upset by my breaking down the book document into chapters I assume?
Another step, before going to press, will be to strip out the Zotero coding. There I assume I would want to save the one with the Zotero links under a different name, then in Word click on the "remove codes" Will that remove all codes for all citations? Do I need to go through these one by one?
After doing that, I can put my chapters back together in one book document.
Any advice on shortcuts or dangers in this process are most welcome.
--Don
I see no better way to do this and wouldn't expect any problems doing this as you describe.
1. Build your bibliography, etc.
1. Save one copy of the doc for each chapter, where the first chapter file includes the TOC, and the last includes the "correct" bibliography
2. Remove the "other" chapters in each separate doc
3. Refresh citations in each doc
Now you have two options ...
4. print to PDF
5. Combine the files in PDF
OR
4. Disconnect the zotero fields from each document
5. Recombine the files
If you don't disconnect the zotero fields, any further changes in any footnotes, references, etc., will cause zotero to go back and "refresh" the entire document, messing up the first references once again.
As for editing things in separate documents -- this really is NOT as easy as the folks here make out. When you're working through a process with an editor, they will want to see the "final document" combined. If they find a single error in any zotero formatted footnote, that error must be fixed in the ENTIRE document... which either means search/replace because you've disconnected the fields (the only way to stop zotero from messing the document up in later revisions), or pulling the entire document apart, fixing the problem in every document, and then putting them all back together again.
Zotero really NEEDS a lot more intelligence here and in other places ...
It’s really not as complicated as you make it out to be. You can easily create a combined PDF without printing to PDFs. Just select the Word documents And use Adobe’s combine PDFs function.
If you need an editable combined copy, keep a copy of the chapters with live citations and copy from there if you are later looking to update citations.
I split my single file into multiple files, and refreshed, and Zotero removed all the bibliography entries that aren't part of the single chapter file. I combine the files together, refresh the bibliography, and Zotero removes all the first chapter full references.
So no, the methods outlined in this thread do not work ... Because you cannot get a full bibliography AND the full citation at the beginning of each chapter in Word format in any way that I can see. You MUST disconnect the Zotero fields from the footnotes to make this work, eliminating any future use of Zotero for edits.
1. Combine the files, refresh
2. Make a copy of the file, disconnect the fields from Zotero, delete everything from this file but the bibliography
3. Save separate copies for each chapter, leaving any front matter in the same file as the first chapter
4. Open each chapter file, delete "other" text, refresh Zotero, disconnect from Zotero fields
5. Recombine the files.
6. Fix the page numbering, etc.
I don't see how anyone thinks this is "simple" or "easy..." I know it would be hard to make Zotero pay attention to section breaks in Word ... But maybe there is some other way, like just having an option to "restart full citations after this one" in Zotero, so the feature doesn't interact with Word in any way.
If you want to have a productive conversation, please start a new thread concisely describing the problem you are having, without the “this program is useless” hyperbole.
Pointing me at the forum rules and putting things in my mouth that I never said isn't all that useful, either.
I'd say 10mins is a generous estimate for these steps, which is only needed by a relatively small subset of Zotero users (those writing footnoted manuscripts that need to effectively reset with every chapter) and those people need to do this maybe 3, max 5 times for every book-length manuscript, so maybe ever 3-5 years.
That seems entirely acceptable to me compared to adding a feature that would require not just development but also documentation, maintenance, and, importantly would complicate troubleshooting and thus user experience for a lot of other Zotero users. You're free to disagree, but I don't think you're going to convince anyone and should plan accordingly (whether that's budgeting the time or searching for a tool you like better is up to you).