searching for a style with this format [Journal] [date] [Title in quotes] [author]

rohrkemper · September 1, 2020

Is there a style that has this format or similar?

I'm using a plugin called Zotpress on WordPress and they support any style that's listed here: https://www.zotero.org/styles

There are 10k options, but how can I find one similar to this?

[Journal] [date] [Title in quotes] [author]

damnation · September 1, 2020

You can use this tool: https://editor.citationstyles.org/searchByExample/
You'll need to use the provided meta data on the left to create the style you want and then will find something similar for sure, or a good base to make some edits.

bwiernik · September 1, 2020

You can search by example here: https://csl.mendeley.com/searchByExample/

You can edit a style here: https://csl.mendeley.com/visualEditor/

or by following these instructions: https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/style_editing_step-by-step

If you can't find a style that meets your needs, please follow these instructions carefully to request a new style: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki/Requesting-Styles

rohrkemper · September 1, 2020

Wow, what an impressive tool: https://editor.citationstyles.org/searchByExample/

However, I can't find any at all that start with the journal title. Can someone give it a try?

damnation · September 1, 2020

It's not very typical. Find something that has the author, date, title, journal name and then edit that style. Should be just moving around the macros/text bits.

rohrkemper · September 1, 2020

Thanks for the tip. I could edit, but I suppose that wouldn't help me because I can only use styles in https://www.zotero.org/styles with the WordPress plugin. Has
anyone tried the Zotpress plugin? Is there a way to use a custom style?

damnation · September 1, 2020

Ah, I see.

What about this tutorial? https://wp.nyu.edu/digitalgallatin/portfolio/how-to-use-zotero-with-web-publishing/

Looks like you could still specifify the in-text citation for each?

rohrkemper · September 1, 2020

That's great to know for in-text citations. I will definitely use this at some point.

For now, my main concern is with the bibliography. Here's the page where I'm using this: https://monitoringconsumption.com/media-coverage/

Based on this, you can imagine that the order I've proposed makes sense. How could I get a new entry added to the Zotero style page? https://www.zotero.org/styles

bwiernik · September 1, 2020

Is this style for a publisher of some sort, or just your own webpage?

bwiernik · September 1, 2020

It looks like you can specify the URL of a style hosted somewhere else on the Internet https://wordpress.org/support/topic/workaround-for-using-non-csl-styles-with-shortcode/

Try this style: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bwiernik/zotero-tools/master/apa-doi-in-text.csl

rohrkemper · September 2, 2020

@bwiernik, that's really great. I've done a test now in which the August block at the top uses your style guide. All others use Chicago as the default.

Here's the shortcode for the August block:
[zotpress tag="CH_HL_2020_08" sortby="date" order="desc", style="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bwiernik/zotero-tools/master/apa-doi-in-text.csl"]

Does that look right to you? I can't see the difference between the August block and the others. But maybe they're just similar styles? I haven't made any other changes to Zotpress.

Here's my test.
https://monitoringconsumption.com/media-coverage/

This is a non-profit project for monitoring the effects of government lockdown measures on consumer spending. It's lead by a university in Switzerland.

Would you be willing to try to create a style in this format? [Journal] [date] [Title in quotes] [author] I don't know if this is a large effort or not, but I'd really appreciate if you could give it an attempt and then I could potentially tune it further.

damnation · September 2, 2020

Please specificy the exact style for the footnotes that you want. Or do you want those brackets around all those bits?
Then I can make something.

rohrkemper · September 2, 2020

@damnation, that would be great. The brackets are only to make it easier to read. OK, here's an example. If this is not sufficiently specified, please let me know and I can adapt it.

Current format:
Lastname, Firstname. “Article Title” NewspaperName. August 13, 2020. https://www.link.com.

Desired format:
NewspaperName. August 13, 2020. “Article Title” https://www.link.com. Lastname, Firstname

damnation · September 2, 2020

This way is actually easier to read.
So you mainly cite newspaper articles and NOT journal articles as you specified earlier?

I need more details. That's the footnotes you want?
The bibliography doesn't matter? Or the other way round?
"Current format": where are you getting this from? The apa.....csl linked above?

rohrkemper · September 2, 2020

@damnation, sorry, I think I missed some of your questions before because I posted nearly at the same moment.

I'm interested in the bibliography only. I assume you mean in-text citations when you say footnotes? The formatting that I'm asking you about should apply to the bibliography and is not necessary for in-text citations or footnotes.

Yes, these are mainly newspaper articles. There are also some TV and radio broadcasts. There will be a few scientific articles. It should be optimized for newspaper articles if you need to choose one

The current format is the APA linked above and seems very similar to my default Zotpress setting. I actually cannot tell the difference.

Is it possible to add newlines? If yes, I think this format would look even nicer. That also eliminates the need for some punctuation.

NewspaperName. August 13, 2020
Article Title
https://www.link.com
Lastname, Firstname

rohrkemper · September 2, 2020

Yes, these are mainly newspaper articles. There are also some TV and radio broadcasts. There will be a few scientific articles. It should be optimized for newspaper articles if you need to choose one

damnation · September 2, 2020

You can edit posts here (hover of a post and see the little wheel on the top right corner). You didn't answer all my questions.

rohrkemper · September 2, 2020

Done editing above. I see editing is possible, but not deleting? It would be nice to be able to delete posts that are no longer relevant.

damnation · September 2, 2020

Check this out:
https://gist.github.com/POBrien333/ffec3f80412392bf0891b252b697184b/raw/4cfc8aa0709212414718225ba25059d9e5ce0b5b/mediaconsumption.csl

APA is probably not the wisest decision to use as a base, just because it's a very complex and large style. For you to make other changes might be harder than necessary if it was just a more simplistic style.

bwiernik · September 2, 2020

No, that’s not the style I linked to. It should look like APA style.

rohrkemper · September 2, 2020

@damnation, thanks a lot for preparing this style! However, I'm not sure that I'm using Zotpress correctly. Using this short code doesn't seem to have any effect. In the default styles, I tried pasting this URL also, but then no style is loaded.

[zotpress tag="CH_HL_2020_08" sortby="date" order="desc", style="https://gist.github.com/POBrien333/ffec3f80412392bf0891b252b697184b/raw/4cfc8aa0709212414718225ba25059d9e5ce0b5b/mediaconsumption.csl"]

My test is here: https://monitoringconsumption.com/media-coverage/

damnation · September 2, 2020

I can't help you any further. I make CSL styles. With ZotPress I have no experience.

bwiernik · September 2, 2020

Yeah, for further help with zotpress, you should post to the zotpress forums

rohrkemper · September 3, 2020

@damnation do you understand the guidelines here as they apply to the CSL file? Does your file fill these requirements?

https://wordpress.org/support/topic/workaround-for-using-non-csl-styles-with-shortcode/

I will verify that I’m using the Zotpress plugin correctly.

damnation · September 3, 2020

Yes, Bwiernik already did that in th style he gave you and I also did it.
After uploading the style I copied the URL to the .csl and went back in to edit the file's style link.

You can see that yourself.
Also, you can just copy my code and upload it to your site or whatever other service you want to use and play around with it.

rohrkemper · September 7, 2020

Haven't gotten this working yet, but Katie the Zotpress developer has written one reply to my other forum post: https://wordpress.org/support/topic/externally-hosted-style/

rohrkemper · September 7, 2020

Got Zotpress working! Maybe my style link was just too long. Now, I've hosted it here: https://monitoringconsumption.com/mediaconsumption.csl

I added this URL as a new style directly in the Zotpress options. Adding style to the shortcode was not necessary.

When creating styles, do we need to have a different formatting for each ItemType? Would it be possible to make sure that the same formatting applies to all item types? If not, the important ones are:
- Newspaper article (already looks great)
- Radio Broadcast
- TV Broadcast
- Webpage
- Blog post
- Presentation
- Video recording

ItemName. August 13, 2020
Item Title
https://www.link.com
Lastname_author, Firstname_author

@damnation, could you help me to make these changes to the CSL?

damnation · September 8, 2020

Glad you got it working.

Now you know why it isn't the best idea to start with APA in your case.

You don't have to have the conditionals for all the various item types. But as this style has the coding in all the various macros it's a bit harder to simplify that.
I would just start with a different, simpler style.

something like this: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/POBrien333/ffec3f80412392bf0891b252b697184b/raw/b0d34b6f0df2f6487fe984dea6f198f3f5c24816/short-style.csl

rohrkemper · September 8, 2020

Thanks for the tip. So I would take your CSL and use your header inside the example you provided? (https://gist.githubusercontent.com/POBrien333/ffec3f80412392bf0891b252b697184b/raw/b0d34b6f0df2f6487fe984dea6f198f3f5c24816/short-style.csl)

Then I would also replace this part of the example with the article-newspaper from your file?

Looks like it would take me quite a while to really understand how a style file works.

<<if type="article-newspaper" match="none">
...
<</if>>