It'd be trivial for BBT to omit those bars or curly braces, but a) whether that would help at all is guesswork until we know what triggers ATOK, and b) it wouldn't actually work with odfscan.
@fbennett I put two | (vertical bar) in front of the surname of the author in Bookends citation information itself. Then I used the floating citation window to get the following:
{||Brewer, 1991}
I even put two ｜ (vertical bar) in Japanese using ATOK's Input Manager Editor, I got the following using Bookend's floating citation window:
{｜｜Brewer, 1991}
In both cases, ATOK again does not seem to be activated.
@emilianoeheyns It would be great to try some debugging of BBT to see if this works. I will have to depend on somebody to open an issue on the BBT tracker as I do not have expertise in this type of thing.
No expertise needed beyond being able to open an account on github (the tracker is at https://github.com/retorquere/zotero-better-bibtex/issues). As a matter of rule I only create builds if the person who is experiencing the problem is participating in the issue, preferably opens the issue. If the problem-holder is not on board, the problem tends to bleed to death pretty quickly.
@emilianoeheyns I am not sure if I understand you mean exactly, but what I did was launch Bookends floating citation window in the note taking application. I then clicked on the "paste" button in this window to have the citation pasted in the text in the note taking application. This same citation appears in the clipboard of MacOS.
If Bookends works via the clipboard, can you get a sample of what Bookends vs BBT puts on the clipboard (where the BBT version exhibits the undesired behavior and the Bookends the desired behavior, using clips that are either the same or substantially close) using something like https://langui.net/clipboard-viewer/
Wait -- you can type "{ | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW }" without it being messed with, then copy it to the clipboard and paste it back without it being messed with, but if BBT puts it on the clipboard, it gets modified by ATOK?
@emilianoeheyns I downloaded and used "Clipboard Viewer". I typed in "{ | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW }". Then I copied and again pasted the same into a note taking application. Clipboard Viewer showed the results for all the following file titles:
com.reinvented.keepit.note.text public.rtf NeXT Rich Text Format v1.0 pasteboard type public.utf8-plain-text public.utf16-external-plain-text 'ut 16' (CorePastboardFlavorType 0x75743136) dyn.ah62d4rv4gk81n65yru 'ustl' (CorePasteboardFlavorType 0x7473746C) com.apple.traditional-mac-plain-text 'TEXT' (CorePasteboardFlavorType 0x54455854) dyn.ah62d4rv4gk81g7d3ru 'styl' (CorePasteboardFlavorType 0x7374796C)
Can you also get us the output of running osascript -e 'the clipboard as record' in the terminal for each case (you put it on the clipboard, BBT puts it on the clipboard), noting which output belongs to what case?
@emilianoeheyns Would you mind giving me detailed instructions on how to get the information you need? I have only basic computer skills. I look forward to getting the information to you so this issue can be solved. I will work on it tomorrow. (It is almost 1am here in Tokyo). :)
Verify your browser now says something like { | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW } (whatever it says, no Japanese)
Paste into your notepad and tell us whether you see something like { | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW } or something (partially) Japanese
In the terminal app, type (do not copy-paste!) osascript -e 'the clipboard as record' > /tmp/clipboard-state-bbt.txt
In the terminal app, type (do not copy-paste!) pbpaste > /tmp/clipboard-contents-bbt.txt
You now have 4 files in /tmp that look like clipboard...txt. Put these somewhere where we can download them. If you open an issue on the github link I posted, you can attach them there.
If the difference is that Bookends puts rich-text on the clipboard (which BBT currently does not), I will need you to open a github account and then open an issue by clicking here.
I apologize for the inconvenience, but if I'm going to make changes to BBT to accommodate this, I need a channel where I can talk about the issue (for which this forum would suffice) and get you test builds (for which this forum does not suffice). I have an automated setup around github issues to deliver tested debug-builds that I don't really want to work around (and working around it would be some work at this point, I've made it intentionally hard for me to put out builds that have not passed through this automated testing setup).
@emilianoeheyns Thanks for following up on this issue. I really appreciate it! :)
I followed your instructions and believe I have the 4 files in /tmp, but I am at a loss as to where the /tmp folder is on my Mac. If you could provide me with the file path, I will post it all on github.
The custom build I put there (which I'll merge once we have the whole thing working) will put html and RTF on the clipboard. I've looked on stackoverflow and from what I see there, replacing keystroke theReference with keystroke "v" using command down (and adding &clipboard=true to the url) should work, but I also see warnings that if you hold down a modifier key (such as ctrl) while it's pasting it would be seen as cmd-ctrl-v and it's unpredictable what that would do.
I've not tested this. I'm not really familiar with Macs. I concentrate on the backend in BBT.
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I put two | (vertical bar) in front of the surname of the author in Bookends citation information itself. Then I used the floating citation window to get the following:
{||Brewer, 1991}
I even put two ｜ (vertical bar) in Japanese using ATOK's Input Manager Editor, I got the following using Bookend's floating citation window:
{｜｜Brewer, 1991}
In both cases, ATOK again does not seem to be activated.
It would be great to try some debugging of BBT to see if this works. I will have to depend on somebody to open an issue on the BBT tracker as I do not have expertise in this type of thing.
I am not sure if I understand you mean exactly, but what I did was launch Bookends floating citation window in the note taking application. I then clicked on the "paste" button in this window to have the citation pasted in the text in the note taking application. This same citation appears in the clipboard of MacOS.
I downloaded and used "Clipboard Viewer". I typed in "{ | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW }". Then I copied and again pasted the same into a note taking application. Clipboard Viewer showed the results for all the following file titles:
com.reinvented.keepit.note.text
public.rtf
NeXT Rich Text Format v1.0 pasteboard type
public.utf8-plain-text
public.utf16-external-plain-text
'ut 16' (CorePastboardFlavorType 0x75743136)
dyn.ah62d4rv4gk81n65yru
'ustl' (CorePasteboardFlavorType 0x7473746C)
com.apple.traditional-mac-plain-text
'TEXT' (CorePasteboardFlavorType 0x54455854)
dyn.ah62d4rv4gk81g7d3ru
'styl' (CorePasteboardFlavorType 0x7374796C)
Which files do you need the information for?
osascript -e 'the clipboard as record'in the terminal for each case (you put it on the clipboard, BBT puts it on the clipboard), noting which output belongs to what case?Would you mind giving me detailed instructions on how to get the information you need? I have only basic computer skills. I look forward to getting the information to you so this issue can be solved. I will work on it tomorrow. (It is almost 1am here in Tokyo). :)
terminalapplication{ | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW }into the note app and copy it to the clipboardosascript -e 'the clipboard as record' > /tmp/clipboard-state-manual.txtpbpaste > /tmp/clipboard-contents-manual.txt{ | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW }back{ | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW }(whatever it says, no Japanese){ | Brewer, 1991 | | | zu:276004:4EAB2LZW }or something (partially) Japaneseosascript -e 'the clipboard as record' > /tmp/clipboard-state-bbt.txtpbpaste > /tmp/clipboard-contents-bbt.txt/tmpthat look likeclipboard...txt. Put these somewhere where we can download them. If you open an issue on the github link I posted, you can attach them there.I apologize for the inconvenience, but if I'm going to make changes to BBT to accommodate this, I need a channel where I can talk about the issue (for which this forum would suffice) and get you test builds (for which this forum does not suffice). I have an automated setup around github issues to deliver tested debug-builds that I don't really want to work around (and working around it would be some work at this point, I've made it intentionally hard for me to put out builds that have not passed through this automated testing setup).
Thanks for following up on this issue. I really appreciate it! :)
I followed your instructions and believe I have the 4 files in /tmp, but I am at a loss as to where the /tmp folder is on my Mac. If you could provide me with the file path, I will post it all on github.
~/Desktop?boost_interprocess clipboard-state-manual.txt
clipboard-contents-bbt.txt com.apple.launchd.KXBN1OTnxe
clipboard-contents-manual.txt com.apple.launchd.LkIbvRzNn4
clipboard-state-bbt.txt powerlog
Thanks for your instructions. I managed to find the file path and past the issue on GitHub. ( https://github.com/retorquere/zotero-better-bibtex/issues/1154 ) Hopefully some solution can be found. :)
keystroke theReferencewithkeystroke "v" using command down(and adding&clipboard=trueto the url) should work, but I also see warnings that if you hold down a modifier key (such as ctrl) while it's pasting it would be seen as cmd-ctrl-v and it's unpredictable what that would do.I've not tested this. I'm not really familiar with Macs. I concentrate on the backend in BBT.