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Hi!
I am not sure if this topic is new, however I couldn't find anything relevant to my issue here. Is it possible to force Zotero to use technical information such as Vol., p., ed., and so on depends on the language of the source? I often cite different languages sources in one document. So If the source in English it is totally ok. But when I cite the source in Russian, I have to manually replace Vol. with Том, ed. with ред., p. with c. And so on.
However I do indicate the language of source in its entry. So what do you think? Is it possible that Zotero uses relevant technical info depends on the language of the source indicated in its entry?
I am not sure if this topic is new, however I couldn't find anything relevant to my issue here. Is it possible to force Zotero to use technical information such as Vol., p., ed., and so on depends on the language of the source? I often cite different languages sources in one document. So If the source in English it is totally ok. But when I cite the source in Russian, I have to manually replace Vol. with Том, ed. with ред., p. with c. And so on.
However I do indicate the language of source in its entry. So what do you think? Is it possible that Zotero uses relevant technical info depends on the language of the source indicated in its entry?
One thing I still can't get is that CSL is based on html, so what is the problem in modifying it?
What fbennet was saying is that testing for an item's language in an <if> statement is not officially supported by the CSL language spec. That said, Zotero will recognize and properly handle styles that do have such tests.
http://citationstyles.org/
See also bwiernik's link above.
I don't know if your problem can be solved with the CSL editor (anyone?) but going beyond the editor may be a reach unless you have rudimentary programming experience or working with logic statements. It is for me and I cut my teeth with FORTRAN-4 and COBOL in the 1960s and 70s.
edit: I need to relearn CSL each time I try something so, if it is anything that is the least bit complex I hire an expert. :end-edit
If fbennett's Juris-M can do what you want (he'll need to say if it can) and if you will be doing most of your writing with a need to adapt citations to the language of the cited article; you might want to migrate to that version of Zotero. (Juris-M used to be called Multilingual Zotero (MLZ). That has been expanded to better produce citations to legal within and to legal documents. See:
http://citationstylist.org/tools/
Sorry, I mistyped the URL. It's fixed now. CSL-M (an extended version of CSL) can produce the effect you want. The linked thread is to a very recent request for the same functionality. It's done by setting multiple cs:layout sections in cs:citation and cs:bibliography. That is not permitted in standard CSL, and a style written in that way will raise a warning when you attempt to install it in Zotero; but it is known to work.
As for the coding of it, multiple layouts are not supported in the CSL visual editor, so as DWL-SDCA says, you would need to use other tools. I have built an editor here that I like very much, but I seem to be the only one who does. :-)
If there is a specific style that you would like to multilingual-ize, post back to this thread, and I can take a look. If it's a simple conversion, I can set it up for you.
Actually, there are three main styles that I use most of the time, it is APA, Chicago (for the footnotes) and Ukrainian DSTU. The last one, however, has never been developed as it should be. I would like to multilingualize the APA and Chicago.
I never knew there are modifications of Zotero. That is really cool! I've tried almost every citation managers (EndNote, Mendeley, Papers 3, ReadCube, Bookend, RefMe) and now I understand that I should have started with Zotero :)
Basically, my idea is described above. I want Zotero (or Juris-M) to use the field "Language" for modifying the technical information. As I see it:
if "Language = Russian or Ukrainian" then:
Vol. -> Т.
Issue -> №
Page -> с
Editor -> ред.
Translator -> пер.
etc., I am not sure that I can recall all the elements of citation. As I understand, any csl file contains this info (because we can choose the language of citations). Perhaps it is just me, but I consider it as such an obvious thing, I don't understand, why it is not supported by csl yet.
If it is possible, I'd very appreciate this feature to be somehow realized in Chicago 16 (full note) and APA 6.
Which languages do you need to localize? Just Russian and Ukranian, or should other locales be included?
I need only Russian and Ukrainian and they are quite similar in the context I need.
By the way, when I tested Juris-M I faced with a strange thing about MLZ Chicago Full Note. When I try to cite a document type "Report", which is a very common thing for legal writing, Word creates a footnote with this text: [CSL STYLE ERROR: reference with no printed form.]. However, if I choose normal Chicago Full Note style, everything is Ok. I understand that it might be a topic for Juris-M forums to discuss, but as far as we get here perhaps you know the issue.
Locally, we are shepherding about 20 Masters theses through the submission process, with the deadline at the end of the month. It's possible that the style bug you've encountered has been cleared, but with the info above we can be sure to squash it.
I'll put up a RU/UK version of JM Chicago Full Note later today.
As for error I mentioned, yes, I have a value in Jurisdiction field. In one case that is UN Jurisdiction (as it is the report of Secretary-General), in the other - European Jurisdiction (I cited the report in Vienna Commission). Both times I had the same result.
Is the possibility to use multiple languages scheduled in - say - Zotero 5.1? I would hopefully understand @adamsmith 's comment in this way.
If it would not be the case, what is the best way to give access to a CSL file which would include multiple layouts according to the language (e.g. for this review)?
That said, assuming Zotero allows you to install an invalid style, you might be able to use a non-official multi-layout style as described at https://web.archive.org/web/20150906140458/http://citationstylist.org/docs/citeproc-js-csl.html#cs-layout-extension, assuming this still works in current versions of Zotero's citeproc-js CSL processor. (Its creator, @fbennett, has been implementing some features that go beyond the official CSL specification to improve legal and multilingual citation support in his Zotero fork, Juris-M (https://juris-m.github.io/))