Diabetes Care journal style is incorrect

Lampasona
I have installed the Diabetes Care style (dev) but I noticed that the generated bibliography is incorrect for example the current output is:

1. Turner R, Stratton I, Horton V, Manley S, Zimmet P, Mackay IR, et al. UKPDS 25: autoantibodies to islet-cell cytoplasm and glutamic acid decarboxylase for prediction of insulin requirement in type 2 diabetes. UK Prospective Diabetes Study Group. Lancet. 1997 Nov 1;350(9087):1288-93.

while the correct style should be:

1. Turner R, Stratton I, Horton V, Manley S, Zimmet P, Mackay IR, Shattock M,Bottazzo GF, Holman R. UKPDS 25: autoantibodies to islet-cell cytoplasm and glutamic acid decarboxylase for prediction of insulin requirement in type 2 diabetes. UK Prospective Diabetes Study Group. Lancet 350:1288-93, 1997
  • noksagt
    Please give a link to the documentation and/or examples that show this.

    The Diabetes Care style is currently a dependent style on Vancouver. Citations are, at least, formatted very similarly in the limited documentation I found for Diabetes Care:
    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/misc/ifora.shtml
    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/misc/references.pdf

    I couldn't find 'et al.' information from a cursory glance. Is et al. used? If so, how many authors are listed?

    The date is in the correct position, according to the examples in the pdf. Why do you think it should be moved to the end?

    Neither the month/day, nor the issue are shown in the examples. Neither are they explicitly forbidden, though.
  • Lampasona
    Thanks for the quick reply. I agree the information provided is limited.
    Here is a link to an article in the journal (pubmed states that access to it is free, I hope that is correct):

    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/4/932

    References show that authors are not truncated after the 6th and that all dates are placed at the end. Also the publication name is in italics and issue is given in a short form.
  • noksagt
    It is not uncommon for references in submitted manuscripts to differ from those in print. Where there is disagreement, it seems like the former should be used.
  • Lampasona
    Absolutely not true!!
    As an author it has happened to me more than once that any difference, however minor, to the "standard" way of reporting reference of a journal was highlighted by the editorial office and needed to be fixed.
    In the case of the Diabetes Care style differences are several and stand out.
    The style does not produce an output that is like the one found in the journal and that matters. It is a Vancouver style and not a Diabetes Care one.
  • Lampasona
    I want to add that that is for good reasons.
    Can you imagine that for each paper somebody at the journal editorial office would to go through tens of references? fixing them to achieve the desired style?
    In our case that would mean to fetch one by one all missing authors for example and switching the order of publications date etc etc
    Hard work even using a reference manager...........other than zotero that is :-)
  • noksagt
    edited April 21, 2009
    As an author it has happened to me more than once that any difference, however minor, to the "standard" way of reporting reference of a journal was highlighted by the editorial office and needed to be fixed.
    Presumably they'd, at least, update their example citations (rather than having to perform this edit cycle with every single submission).
    The style does not produce an output that is like the one found in the journal and that matters.
    But the output is very close to the examples in the guide for authors. This is what matters. Unless there is editorial input into the issue, I don't see why we'd disobey the instructions given in that guide.
    Can you imagine that for each paper somebody at the journal editorial office would to go through tens of references? fixing them to achieve the desired style?
    Yes. Elsevier/sciencedirect online citations are different from those that appear in print. And these are sometimes different than what was submitted. Publishers occasionally do make authors reformat references (I have had to in one submission), but I've not heard of them asking that references be reformatted contrary to the author instructions. Further, not all publishers make authors do this: maintaining consistent style used to be the responisbility of the publisher. Some publishers strip all rich text (such as italics, per the change you suggest) & then add it back in (because of differences in the way this rich text is added/rendered in different accepted electronic formats).
  • Lampasona
    Bah.... I am not convinced.
    Point 1) Life is more complicated than that. I can come up with a number of hypothesis on why there is a discrepancy bewteen limited website informations for authors and what is actually required of them after submitting a paper :-)
    Point 2) I think there is a conflict between "rules" and what experience has taught me
    Point 3) I'll make the following experiment: I'll leave in the current "Diabetes Care" style in my submission of a revised paper. We'll see how well it goes down with the editorial office :-)
  • noksagt
    Sounds good. Please alert us if they update their author instructions or if they advise you why they won't update their author instructions to match what they actually want from authors.
  • Lampasona
    As expected the editorial office asked us among other thing to include all authors in the references (point 2).
    Either the Zotero community has an influence on editors or I assume it is important to fix the style as expected from ther journal to avoid unnecessary pain.
    SPotts@diabetes.org
    To:bosi.emanuele@hsr.it
    CC:
    Subject: DC08-2305.R1 - has been unsubmitted (SE)
    Body:07-May-2009
    Dear Dr. Bosi: We apologize for this inconvenience, but your revised manuscript, DC08-2305.R1 has been unsubmitted by the Editorial Office of Diabetes Care. Please address the following issue(s):

    1. Degrees
    The highest degree of each author was omitted from your title page, please add.
    2. References
    Please remove the words "et al" from your references. Each individual author must be listed.
    3. Table
    --Please adjust your table so that it is not cut-off or delete the blank rows and columns.
    --Please add your table to the end of your main text file. Tables should not be uploaded as separate files.
    When correcting the format, please adhere to word limits (available in the attached document). When ready to resubmit, please use the unsubmitted draft in your Author Center:
    1. From the Author Center, Click Revised Manuscripts in Draft
    2. A list will appear below, select the manuscript that needs to be reformatted.
    3. Click Continue Submission.
    4. Delete or remove the originally uploaded incorrect file and then upload the newly corrected file.
    Condensed guidelines are attached for your convenience.
    Sincerely,
    Diabetes Care Editorial Office
  • RintzeRintze
    edited May 25, 2009
    Try installing this style. It's based on Vancouver, but should format journal articles like in the paper you linked to previously.
  • Lampasona
    Dear Rintze, thanks for your help but the style adds authors as requested by the editorial office of Diabetes Care but looks very different in other ways ( I guess I already know what their comment would be in case I used it :-) see example:
    as it should be
    Wenzlau JM, Juhl K, Yu L, Moua O, Sarkar SA, Gottlieb P, Rewers M, Eisenbarth GS, Jensen J, Davidson HW, Hutton JC. The cation efflux transporter ZnT8 (Slc30A8) is a major autoantigen in human type 1 diabetes. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2007 Ott 23;104(43):17040-5.
    as it is currently with your style:
    Wenzlau JM, Juhl K, Yu L, Moua O, Sarkar SA, Gottlieb P, Rewers M, Eisenbarth GS, Jensen J, Davidson HW, Hutton JC. The cation efflux transporter ZnT8 (Slc30A8) is a major autoantigen in human type 1 diabetes. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 104:17040-5, 2007
  • RintzeRintze
    edited May 25, 2009
    Well, the latter is how the references are formatted in the pdf. So what are the changes you wish to see? Just the removal of et-al?
  • Lampasona
    As you said the journal provide an example at: http://care.diabetesjournals.org/site/misc/references.pdf
    It is unfortunate that any of the examples does not contain a number of authors greater than 6 but as requested by the editorial office and as stated in the web page ALL authors should be listed.
    The style you provided is based on Vancouver, adds all authors but still has the reference output quite different from the example provided by the Journal's example.
    In essence Vancouver is not the style Diabetes Care adopts and any Diabetes Care style should conform to what the journal actually wants. Labelling as Diabetes Care the style currently provided by Zotero is misleading and will cause problems to the user (it did to me !)
  • RintzeRintze
    This version has only the et-al issue fixed: http://gist.github.com/raw/117545/68aa27e16abe4ef54800c80e54ad91663abf8a3a/diabetes-care.csl
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