Problem Viewing Items in My Library

Hi there,

I apologise in advance as this will probably fall under the category of "stupid newbie question", however I haven't been able to find an answer looking through the quickstart/support areas nor a search of the forums.

My understanding of one of the key strengths of Zotero is the ability to access your saved items from any computer. As such, I created a profile on my main computer and happily started adding items, which showed up in the Zotero pane. I did find it rather odd that the items were not showing up in the "My Library" feature in my browser window, despite being logged in.

A short while later I had to switch to my laptop. I dutifully logged on using it, having previously logged off of the other computer. My items did not show up in either the Zotero pane or in My Library on the browser page.

So I have to ask, what am I missing? I thought that your data was stored on a server to be accessed anywhere. I certainly hope I don't have to store the data on a flashdrive or some similar annoyance and carry it around with me in order to access my items.

While I'm on the accessibility topic, I am a little bit concerned that you have to download software onto your local machine to use it. I can't imagine a) having to do that at every single computer I use at the university and b) I'm pretty sure they are fussy about people installing software on their machines.

Any enlightenment that you could provide on these subjects would be greatly appreciated!
  • Oh, just in case it matters... I'm guessing that this ability to use multiple computers has been available all along, but in case it's relevant. I am using version 1.0.9 - I've had too many bad experiences using beta versions and figured I would wait until it's more stable.
  • The officially-supported sync mechanism is only in 1.5b2. If documentation led you to believe otherwise, please point to it so that we can improve it.
    I am a little bit concerned that you have to download software onto your local machine to use it
    I don't understand this concern; how else would it work?! You could potentially run Firefox+Zotero from a USB drive. Zotero's server will likely improve in the future to allow you to use your database via a browser. And you can talk to the administrators of the other machines you use & ask them to install Firefox/Zotero for you.
  • Hi noksagt, thanks for the quick reply.

    Well, documentation that led me to believe otherwise would be, for starters, that right on the home page in the Features list it states "Access your library from anywhere". It doesn't say, "Access your library from anywhere, as long as you download software and transfer the data yourself." Please keep in mind that I have just started playing with Zotero and am trying to get a handle on what it does and doesn't do. I'm trying to determine whether the issue is a limitation of the software or the user. :-) I am not trying to insult Zotero!

    As to "how else would it work?". I am simultaneously trying out Zotero and Connotea, which only requires the addition of a bookmark, the data appears to be entirely web-based, as far as I can tell so far, at least. I am already discovering that I can do some things in one, but not the other and vice versa.

    I find it difficult to believe that I am not the only one attending a university where they limit what is installed on their computers. I considered myself lucky that they even had Firefox installed on them! If I used only a couple of computers I could conceivably ask them if I could install Zotero. However, my question partially stems from the fact that the most likely scenario I would encounter is one where I am not using my laptop but rather am accessing random computers in the library to do book and article searches and want to save the pertinent results.

    I am really hoping that I will find that one service will handle at least most of my needs. I am very interested in some of the features Zotero offers, such as saving sites and taking images of them though, on the other hand, so far I haven't been able to have it auto-detect a single journal article, even using the DOI.

    Getting back to the original question. Am I to understand, then, that if I were to install 1.5b2, it would sync my data on a server so that I could access it anywhere? If so, does this happen automatically?

    Thank you for your help!
  • edited April 11, 2009
    Well, documentation that led me to believe otherwise would be, for starters, that right on the home page in the Features list it states "Access your library from anywhere".
    I see that several features available only in the 1.5 beta are listed. I agree that this should be clarified (e.g. add an asterisk after at least four of those entries). You might want to review some of the documentation under the 'support' section of the site.
    As to "how else would it work?"
    Feel free to search the forums for discussions of a potential web-based version of Zotero & also on what others are doing to use zotero on public machines. If firefox is already installed & the machine has a separate profile for you, you can most likely install zotero. If zotero isn't installed, you can probably run portable firefox. Zotero advocates have gotten it installed on public machines.
    If I used only a couple of computers I could conceivably ask them if I could install Zotero. However, my question partially stems from the fact that the most likely scenario I would encounter is one where I am not using my laptop but rather am accessing random computers in the library to do book and article searches and want to save the pertinent results.
    If you login to your library computers, this should not be a major issue: the librarians can most likely roll out software over the whole network and/or you may have a profile which would allow you to install zotero. If there is no login, portable firefox might be your best bet.
    so far I haven't been able to have it auto-detect a single journal article, even using the DOI.
    It isn't clear to me how you are trying to use the DOI. Review the quick-start guide. The best way to get data into zotero is by visiting a site that it explicitly supports. If you find a major publisher's site is not supported, you can request that it be added. PDFs can only be imported in 1.5b2 & you must have the pdftools in order for this to work.
    Getting back to the original question. Am I to understand, then, that if I were to install 1.5b2, it would sync my data on a server so that I could access it anywhere?
    Yes:
    http://www.zotero.org/support/which_version
    http://www.zotero.org/support/1.5_beta
    If so, does this happen automatically?
    After you go to preferences, add your user/pass & click "sync automatically:"
    http://www.zotero.org/support/sync
  • Yes, while I was poking about some more, I was thinking exactly the same thing. An asterisk next to features that are new/only available in the latest version would be really helpful. As someone who has never visited the site before, I have no way of knowing the difference and figured that it was an ongoing/fundamental feature.

    I'm a little unclear on what you are saying about a web-based Zotero. Is there an official version forthcoming, or are you saying that users might be creating one on their own? I'm thinking the former, but I thought I had better check!

    Classes are officially over for the semester, so I will have to wait until my next visit to the campus to see what I can do with Zotero there.

    However, it sounds as though simply upgrading to the latest version will solve the issue. I am not so concerned with transporting the files themselves; keeping a record of them and where to find them would serve my purposes for the times I'm on campus and not using my laptop. My computers are networked at home.

    The journal articles were not readable by Zotero (i.e., there was no icon at the right side of the tool bar). I access them through my university's proxy server and while my university is on your "approved" list, I am not sure whether this means for the server or only for items in the library catalogue. After that I got a little creative so I'm not surprised that my method was not clear to you. :-)

    First, I tried clicking the Add button and selecting the Journal Article option. (Unfortunately I didn't make note of the various publishers, though I can say that the last one I tried (still open in another tab) was Sage and the journal was New Media & Society. I will make note from now on.) Then, in the right pane, I pasted in the DOI in the appropriate field and clicked on locate. I thought there was a *remote* chance that Zotero might keep an index of DOIs. When that didn't work, I simply put the DOI in the search box to see if Zotero could locate it using some other mysterious function. After that, I gave up. If you have any other suggestions I would really appreciate hearing them because I have many hundreds of articles on my drives that I would like to add.

    In the meantime, I have to logoff now. I will download the latest and greatest tonight and try it again. Thank you very much for all your help!
  • I'm a little unclear on what you are saying about a web-based Zotero. Is there an official version forthcoming, or are you saying that users might be creating one on their own?
    The Zotero devs have discussed the possibility of creating a web-based version. This is not yet on the development road map & there is plenty more to be done, so "forthcoming" might be somewhat optimistic.
    The journal articles were not readable by Zotero (i.e., there was no icon at the right side of the tool bar). I access them through my university's proxy server.
    Example URLs would help; are the sites compatible with Zotero when not going through a proxy? 1.5b2 also has better proxy support.
    and while my university is on your "approved" list, I am not sure whether this means for the server or only for items in the library catalogue.
    If you mean the list of compatible sites, then this is only for catalogs.
    I tried clicking the Add button....I thought there was a *remote* chance that Zotero might keep an index of DOIs.
    Nope; that is only to enter a record manually.
    I simply put the DOI in the search box to see if Zotero could locate it using some other mysterious function.
    And this is only for searching your Zotero library; not remote sites.
    If you have any other suggestions I would really appreciate hearing them because I have many hundreds of articles on my drives that I would like to add.
    Read the documentation and search the forums & see how far you get. If you have been using a different reference manager, you can probably export from it and import into zotero. If you wish to use the beta version, you may be able to auto-find some of the data for PDFs that you have. If you have a bibliographic list, you might be able to use cb2bib or other third party tools to get them into zotero. You should be able to go to supported sites (such as google scholar) & download information for articles you search for.
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