Upgrade StorageUpdate Turabian 8th to include DOI
In the Turabian (8th) manual in section 15.4.1.3, it states "... To cite a source that includes a DOI, append the DOI to http://dx.doi.org/ in your citation...."
Currently the Turabian 8th style is defaulting to include a URL even when a DOI is present. Can this be updated?
Currently the Turabian 8th style is defaulting to include a URL even when a DOI is present. Can this be updated?
Brown, Campbell. “Consequentialize This.” Ethics 121, no. 4 (July 2011): 749–71. Accessed December 1, 2012. http://dx.doi.org/10.1086/660696.
I'll take a look but won't be super quick.
DOI in Turabian: It requires that if DOI is used as the ID to cite an online source, it should appear (in both note and biblio) in the form of a URL, meaning this string should appear before the DOI: http://dx.doi.org/
This is an idiosyncrasy that is unique (I think) to Turabian (and yes it doesn’t make any sense, but it is what it is).
Here’s the problem with how Zotero handles this. If Zotero is used to save a reference from an online database, this is what you get when you use Zotero to create a note or a biblio entry. Zotero doesn't appear to recognize that the DOI field is populated, but rather enters a URL that it appears to be taking from the online database.
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OPTION: Saving from EBSCO database using Option "Save to Zotero using DOI"
Note:
1. Jay R. Carlander and W. Elliot Brownlee, “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery,” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416, accessed June 21, 2017, http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14664650600956585.
Biblio:
Carlander, Jay R., and W. Elliot Brownlee. “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery.” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416. Accessed June 21, 2017. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14664650600956585.
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OPTION: Saving from EBSCO database using "Save to Zotero using EBSCO Host"
You get a citation with a different URL, but the citations are still wrong:
Note:
1. Jay R. Carlander and W. Elliot Brownlee, “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery,” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416, accessed June 21, 2017, http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&an=22897252&site=ehost-live&scope=site.
Biblio:
Carlander, Jay R., and W. Elliot Brownlee. “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery.” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416. Accessed June 21, 2017. http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&an=22897252&site=ehost-live&scope=site.
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IDEAL: This is how they should appear for Turabian 8th edition:
Note:
1. Jay R. Carlander and W. Elliot Brownlee, “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery,” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416, accessed March 25, 2017, http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/14664650600956585.
Biblio:
Carlander, Jay R., and W. Elliot Brownlee. “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery.” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416. Accessed March 25, 2017. http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/14664650600956585.
It appears if Zotero is saving a URL it acquires from the online database in the URL field. Instead, in Turabian, if the DOI field is occupied, Zotero should generate its own URL by appending the DOI to this string: http://dx.doi.org/
To achieve the proper format, a manual correction for any reference with the DOI field filled in is required. An update would be a great help to those who use Turabian.
doi:10.1080/14664650600956585
And Zotero is currently handling it perfectly--Zotero overrides any URL that the database supplies in the URL field, and enters the DOI after the correct Chicago string of "doi:"
Using my example above, Zotero creates:
Note:
1. Jay R. Carlander and W. Elliot Brownlee, “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery,” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416, doi:10.1080/14664650600956585.
Biblio:
Carlander, Jay R., and W. Elliot Brownlee. “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery.” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416. doi:10.1080/14664650600956585.
I'm unclear as to why you reference the Access Date in your comment, but to make sure that I haven’t confused things, the “access date” element seems to working perfectly in the Zotero Turabian style set.
—It appears when it should
—It doesn’t appear when it shouldn’t appear
—Position, capitalization and punctuation are correct for both Note and Biblio entry formats.
—No changes need to be made.
I am only asking you to look at how Zotero handles the two data fields, “URL” and “DOI.” These are the scenarios I have encountered and the rule that I’d suggest:
DOI (blank) URL (blank)
——Not an electronic source
——Use appropriate Turabian citation format for a hard copy.
DOI (blank) URL (populated):
——Add URL provided by the online database to the citation
DOI (populated) URL (blank):
——Create a URL by appending DOI to "http://dx.doi.org/"
DOI (populated) URL (populated)
——Ignore URL provided by the online database
——Create a URL by appending DOI to "http://dx.doi.org/"
Carlander, Jay R., and W. Elliot Brownlee. “Antebellum Southern Political Economists and the Problem of Slavery.” American Nineteenth Century History 7, no. 3 (September 2006): 389–416. Accessed March 25, 2017. http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/14664650600956585.
There is an accessed date. I understand that Turabian wants that and we'll put it in, but it's, frankly, dumb (which is why the Chicago Manual doesn't include it).
Thanks...but to be clear, it doesn't need to be PUT in...it's ALREADY in and it's working well, just needs to be maintained as you revise handling of DOI and URL.
It may be that we are saying the same thing, just not communicating well because of the medium of messaging in a forum. If that's so, please forgive me.
I completely understand what you're saying. It's just that there is pretty much no other style in the world that requires access dates for DOIs (in whatever form they're presented), which makes this a silly requirement in Turabian. The whole point (well, one of them at least) of DOIs is that they're permanent.
Agree 100%
Boscof16, this is a problem that was identified 4 years ago and you are correct...it's still not working right.
But rather than address it, it appears the powers that be just want to post non-responsive comments about the deficiencies they see in Turabian format—something beyond the control of most who use or develop Zotero. Not a productive use of time, but it is what it is.
I give up.
Zotero and CSL are open source software. I'd be happy for people to submit a fix and I still would like to work on this myself, I just haven't gotten to it, and I'm candid about the fact that that's partly due to my view that the existence of a Turabian style that diverges from Chicago Manual is a bad idea, so I don't prioritize fixing its implementation.