Page number in bibliography

oad
Dear all,

I am using Zotero as Open Office plugin and Vancouver as citation style. When I insert a citation, I enter a pagenumber in the Zotero selection dialog. But this page number is not showing anywhere. I would like to see the page number in the bibliography, for example:

62. Cohen BH. Explaining psychological statistics. 3rd ed. Hoboken, N.J: Wiley; 2008. 825 p. , p. 326.

Bold is the part that is missing.
Is that a feature not available in the Vancouver style, or a setting I have to enable somewhere, or a bug?

Thanks for any help!
  • adamsmith
    that's not available in any of the numeric citation styles, including vancouver.
    We realize that this is occasionally used in journals, but it's hard to make sense of this, since technically these are bibliographies, not citations, and it makes little sense to refer to a particular page in a book in a bibliography.
  • oad
    Thank you. So Vancouver is a style recommended for a bibliography? Is there a way to tell which style is suitable for citations? Or maybe I should not use Zotero for citations at all?
  • adamsmith
    no, Vancouver does citations -- it's just that they appear as a number in the text, that then refers to the bibliography -- and that's the part that you have in your post. And Zotero doesn't allow you to add a specific page number to a bibliography entry (because, systematically, it doesn't make any sense).

    There are style like Chicago Manual that link footnote/endnote numbers to specific citations. You'd be able to add a specific page number to those.
  • DWL-SDCA
    edited October 5, 2015
    @oad

    Are you using the terms reference list and bibliography as synonyms?

    Are you citing a quotation? If so should the page number not be in the text? If in the text then the page number shouldn't be needed in the bibliography. Especially not if you are citing more than one reference from the same book.

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    If not a quote are you citing a specific formula?
    /edit

    All that said, are you being required to cite book and page references with the page number in the reference list? If this is a requirement for submitting a manuscript to a journal, I would like to know the journal name if you don't mind sharing the name.

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    many if not most medical journals use a numbered style like Vancouver and the page reference is expected to within the in-text reference positioned immediately after the reference number.
    /edit
  • adamsmith
    (@DWL -- this is not uncommon in journals using Vancouver-type styles, even though it makes little sense to me. It's also common for ACS and ACS-style citation styles)
  • oad
    Hi,

    thank you all for your help. Your comments made me google, and I just learned the difference between a reference list and a bibliography. I am writing a thesis, not for a journal, and use Zotero for creating the reference list.

    Here is an example citation from the university's guidelines:
    1 Shapiro AM, Lakey JR, Ryan EA, Korbutt GS, Toth E, Warnock GL,
    Kneteman NM, Rajotte RV. Islet transplantation in seven patients with type 1 diabetes
    mellitus using a glucocorticoid-free immunosuppressive regimen. N Engl J Med
    2000;343:230-8.

    Do you recognize a particular citation style? The guidelines don't mention one. I checked other theses at that university, and their styles differed. I chose Vancouver because I liked its style the most - it's not getting in the way of the text too much.

    The last part of the example is, I believe, the journal page. However, sometimes I quote from books, one in particular has thousands of pages. I thought it would be coherent if I refer to a specific fact out of that book, I would cite the page where it could be found - but I would prefer to cite the page in the reference list, not in the article.
    But if you have better recommendations, I would be glad to learn!
  • adamsmith
    yeah, that's roughly Vancouver style. Seems like as good a choice as any.
    The problem with citing the page number of the book is -- you might cite the same book again and want to refer to a different page number, but the citation would go to the same reference number. You can imagine the confusion that would create. That's why you'd typically not include a page number for a specific citations (as opposed to the whole page range for a book chapter or journal) in a reference list.
  • oad
    Yes, I see. I found a Vancouver style with pagenumbers (in the text). I will try to use that. Thanks a lot!
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