Style removed? University of South Australia 2011 (Harvard)

sliz3r
Can someone help explain why University of South Australia 2011 (Harvard) has been removed from the style repository?

I went to use Zotero 4.1 with the University of South Australia 2011 (Harvard) style, but it came back with Harvard - University of South Africa because of the automatic style updating feature. This doesn't help me at all and I need my style back.

Any idea where I can get more information on this deletion?
  • adamsmith
    The 2011 UNISA style was just renamed, it wasn't removed. The styles are equivalent.
    Only the 2007 UNISA style was removed - it was based on a style guide that's no longer available and presumably no longer valid.
  • adamsmith
    (the changeset is here: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/commit/1b666881eb78217c32cd89fb4cb2d628c11305dd - you can see that really the only thing that has changed is the name.)
  • sliz3r
    edited April 29, 2013
    Looking at the changeset it seems the title was changed from University of South Australia to University of South Africa. This does not correctly reflect the true designation of the citation anymore. I assume this was in error. Could you advise me how I get this reviewed and corrected?
    Thanks
  • RintzeRintze
    edited April 29, 2013
    I've recently done some cleanup of the style repository. Most CSL styles for university-specific "Harvard" citation styles had a title of the format "Harvard - [university name]", so I changed the University of South Africa style to match up with that. I don't see a good reason to change it back.

    (ideally, universities would stop calling their citation styles after another university, or even better, just adopt a common citation style)
  • sliz3r
    edited April 29, 2013
    Again if you read the rest of the meta data, this style was 'south AUSTRALIA' until the clean up, not "south AFRICA"
    <link href="http://www.unisa.edu.au/ltu/students/study/referencing/harvard.pdf" rel="documentation"/>
    still shows it is from Australia.

    Sadly University of South Australia has not adopted a common citation format but have developed their own. As a student I can only play the game not change the rules. You say it is called after another university? It was never an African citaton style. (EDIT: I assume you mean naming after Harvard upon my reread.)

    Do you acknowledge that there has been a misinterpretation of 'UNISA' when the clean up was done? I have no problem with the clean up, or removal of the year of effect, I just need it to read South Australia again not South Africa.
  • RintzeRintze
    Ah, sorry, I thought you were just commenting on the title format and the placement of the "Harvard" bit. I got mixed up because both universities use the same acronym:

    http://www.unisa.ac.za/
    http://www.unisa.edu.au/

    Will fix.
  • RintzeRintze
    edited April 29, 2013
    This is now fixed, but Zotero won't auto-update to the new version until a new version of Zotero is released, since I had to change the style ID as well.

    https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/commit/bf4ca096a4ed58742228bf4d96cfae08edf3e8cc
    https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/commit/7c28c5f8b7e9d3d42ca36aff4914a02adb4fb4b5
  • sliz3r
    My thanks Rintze. Appreciated.
  • RintzeRintze
    No problem. Mea culpa.
  • ADudgeon
    Despite the update I have found the style is still incorrect.
    The University of South Australia has updated to the latest Australian style manual (AGPS/AGIMO) Harvard Style as used by the University of Queensland. Report and book chapter styles are incorrect and I have to always fix them manually. If you could please update the style that would be great. Everyone currently uses the University of Queensland guide as the main reference for the style:
    https://www.library.uq.edu.au/help/referencing-style-guides#harvard
  • aurimas
    It would be helpful (and speed up the process of updating the style) if you pointed out exactly what is incorrect.
  • adamsmith
    well - there are a whole bunch of things that aren't right that are easy to see. I'd recommend getting into touch with the style's main author, who you can find at the top of the code for the style, including his e-mail:
    http://zotero.org/styles/harvard-university-of-south-australia?source=1

    I'm not really interested in maintaining university specific styles beyond the most simple fixes, personally I think they just need to go away.
  • ADudgeon
    edited May 5, 2013
    Thanks,

    aurimas, the details are as follows

    For 'chapter in a book'/book chapter you cannot enter the authors of the book itself hence the it comes out like this:

    Appleby, PG & Oldfield, F 1992, ‘Application of lead-210 to sedimentation studies’, in Uranium-series disequilibrium: Applications to earth, marine and environmental sciences., Claredon, Oxford, pp. 731–778.

    But you must include editor names for an edited book where the full reference should then look like this:

    Appleby, PG & Oldfield, F 1992, ‘Application of lead-210 to sedimentation studies’, in Ivanovich M & Harmon S (eds.), Uranium-series disequilibrium: Applications to earth, marine and environmental sciences, Claredon, Oxford, pp. 731–778.
  • adamsmith
    that's actually not right, you can enter editors for a book:
    http://www.zotero.org/support/kb/edited_volumes_and_book_chapters
    but the format of the citation won't be quite right. (it puts eds before the editors rather than (eds) after them).
  • ADudgeon
    great, thanks
  • Lubos
    In regards to the (eds) formatting issue, I have prepared an update and once the regression tests pass, I will be uploading the new version. This update should support the bibliography listing properly. However, in-text citations for edited books will not be adding ed. and eds in front of editor(s) last name because the CSL processor currently (Zotero 4.0.8) has some quirk and does not allow me to position a label in front of a name when placed within the substitute element.
  • RintzeRintze
    edited May 19, 2013
    the CSL processor currently (Zotero 4.0.8) has some quirk and does not allow me to position a label in front of a name when placed within the substitute element.
    Can you copy and paste your attempt at https://gist.github.com/ and share the link here? This should work (if it doesn't, you found a bug that should be fixed).
  • aurimas
    It works for me, but according to the spec (if I'm reading it right), it should not.
    The optional cs:label element (see label) must be included after the cs:name and cs:et-al elements, but before the cs:substitute element.
    http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#label-in-cs-names
  • RintzeRintze
    edited May 19, 2013
    @aurimas, thanks. I guess prepending the label isn't allowed in CSL 1.0.1, then :).
  • aurimas
    Any idea why that would be the case? The language sounds like it was an intentional decision, but the reason for it is not obvious (to me anyway)
  • RintzeRintze
    I think it was an oversight. Both the CSL 0.8.1 and 1.0.1 schemas use an "interleave" to link cs:name (and cs:et-al) and cs:label, meaning that for validation their order is arbitrary. I can't find any discussion on the topic (or remember any), so we can probably relax this requirement in the spec.

    @Lubos, just so that we know for sure that the UniSA style requires it, can you give a quote that describes the requirement? (or point us to it?)
  • Lubos
    edited May 20, 2013
    @aurimas: Yeah, I had seen that CSL spec bit before, however, the CSL processor does currently support relative positioning of the cs:label element (when NOT nested within the cs:substitute element).

    @Rintze: Sure. It says the following in the 2013 revision of the UniSA style guide, pg.10 (notice the position of "eds" in the in-text citation - cs:label in front of cs:name, both within cs:substitute):


    Edited (ed.), revised (rev.) or compiled (comp.) book with 2 or 3 editors:

    Kronenberg, Pollard and Sakellariou (eds 2011) are interested in providing a framework for…

    …is included in this framework (eds Kronenberg, Pollard & Sakellariou 2011).


    EDIT: that first in-text citation can only be done using a manual "Prefix" anyway, since "Suppress author" will remove the label as well :(
  • Lubos
    A new version of the "University of South Australia 2011 (Harvard)" style has now been published in the public repository. It should resolve the editors issue (with the small limitation as mentioned right above this post).
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