Bibliography order issues
I know this has been brought up before so please don't penalise me for posting the question again. I just can't find any answers in the forums.
I have a document that has the following problems.
For citations from a single author from different dates, the bibliography has put the references in weird orders i.e. it has a reference from 2006 before 2002. While two papers by the same author from the same year are out of order.
So it goes
1996, 2006, 2002b, 2002a
Is there an easy way to make changes that don't involve coding? Because quite frankly it's not as easy for the computer illiterate person as some people might think.
I'm sorry if I'm sounding condescending but I'm getting frustrated struggling to find an answer to my problem.
I'm using word 2010, most updated zotero if this helps.
Thanks
I have a document that has the following problems.
For citations from a single author from different dates, the bibliography has put the references in weird orders i.e. it has a reference from 2006 before 2002. While two papers by the same author from the same year are out of order.
So it goes
1996, 2006, 2002b, 2002a
Is there an easy way to make changes that don't involve coding? Because quite frankly it's not as easy for the computer illiterate person as some people might think.
I'm sorry if I'm sounding condescending but I'm getting frustrated struggling to find an answer to my problem.
I'm using word 2010, most updated zotero if this helps.
Thanks
Furthermore, looking at http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01546-2 (open access), the sorting appears somewhat ambiguous.
E.g.
Gilbert, W. (1986). Origin of life: the RNA world. Nature 319, 618.
probably means single author before multiple (or ignore first name)Gilbert, S.D., Rambo, R.P., Van Tyne, D., and Batey, R.T. (2008). Structure of
the SAM-II riboswitch bound to S-adenosylmethionine. Nat. Struct. Mol. Biol.
15, 177–182.
Huang, L., Serganov, A., and Patel, D.J. (2010). Structural insights into ligand
suggests sorting by first author then year (second author would be out of order)recognition by a sensing domain of the cooperative glycine riboswitch. Mol.
Cell 40, 774–786.
Huang, L., Ishibe-Murakami, S., Patel, D.J., and Serganov, A. (2011). Longrange
pseudoknot interactions dictate the regulatory response in the tetrahydrofolate
riboswitch. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 108, 14801–14806.
Lee, E.-J., and Groisman, E.A. (2012). Control of a Salmonella virulence locus
suggests that either two authors come before multiple authors or that first names matter.by an ATP-sensing leader messenger RNA. Nature 486, 271–275.
Lee, E.R., Baker, J.L., Weinberg, Z., Sudarsan, N., and Breaker, R.R. (2010). An
allosteric self-splicing ribozyme triggered by a bacterial second messenger.
Science 329, 845–848.
I'll look around some more, but more guidance from Cell would be helpful
Cell was the option I chose because it more closely resembled what I am after. however changing the style doesnt necessarily change the bibliography either. I guess I should have made that more clear.
I'm not sure why, but it does seem to be a recurring problem, and I have noted it before in the forums but I can't find a link
Since I did start picking at the Cell style already, I'll hijack your thread and finish up.
From http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01428-6
Bouvier, T., and Maurice, C.F. (2011). A single-cell analysis of virioplankton
Two authors do appear to come before 3+adsorption, infection, and intracellular abundance in different bacterioplankton
physiologic categories. Microb. Ecol. 62, 669–678.
Bouvier, T., Del Giorgio, P.A., and Gasol, J.M. (2007). A comparative study of
the cytometric characteristics of high and low nucleic-acid bacterioplankton
cells from different aquatic ecosystems. Environ. Microbiol. 9, 2050–2066.
from http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)01126-9
Schmidt, A., Beck, M., Malmstro¨ m, J., Lam, H., Claassen, M., Campbell, D.,
suggests that first names do matter. Also saw this with two author citations in http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)00508-9 (see Li)and Aebersold, R. (2011). Absolute quantification of microbial proteomes at
different states by directed mass spectrometry. Mol. Syst. Biol. 7, 510.
Schmidt, M.W., Houseman, A., Ivanov, A.R., and Wolf, D.A. (2007). Comparative
proteomic and transcriptomic profiling of the fission yeast Schizosaccharomyces
pombe. Mol. Syst. Biol. 3, 79.
on the other hand (from http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)00769-6 )
Gu, W., Shirayama, M., Conte, D., Jr., Vasale, J., Batista, P.J., Claycomb, J.M.,
says otherwise. I suspect that this is a mistake.Moresco, J.J., Youngman, E.M., Keys, J., Stoltz, M.J., et al. (2009). Distinct
argonaute-mediated 22G-RNA pathways direct genome surveillance in the
C. elegans germline. Mol. Cell 36, 231–244.
Gu, S.G., Pak, J., Guang, S., Maniar, J.M., Kennedy, S., and Fire, A. (2012).
Amplification of siRNA in Caenorhabditis elegans generates a transgenerational
sequence-targeted histone H3 lysine 9 methylation footprint. Nat. Genet.
44, 157–164.
from http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)00936-1
Nasmyth, K. (2011). Cohesin: a catenase with separate entry and exit gates?
Single author before 2 authorsNat. Cell Biol. 13, 1170–1177.
Nasmyth, K., and Schleiffer, A. (2004). From a single double helix to paired
double helices and back. Philos. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B Biol. Sci. 359, 99–108.
from http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(12)00508-9
Crow, Y.J., Leitch, A., Hayward, B.E., Garner, A., Parmar, R., Griffith, E., Ali, M.,
suggests that citations with same first author and year are either sorted by the order in text or by title. Some other citations confirm that it is location in text.Semple, C., Aicardi, J., Babul-Hirji, R., et al. (2006a). Mutations in genes
encoding ribonuclease H2 subunits cause Aicardi-Goutie` res syndrome and
mimic congenital viral brain infection. Nat. Genet. 38, 910–916.
Crow, Y.J., Hayward, B.E., Parmar, R., Robins, P., Leitch, A., Ali, M., Black,
D.N., van Bokhoven, H., Brunner, H.G., Hamel, B.C., et al. (2006b). Mutations
in the gene encoding the 30-50 DNA exonuclease TREX1 cause Aicardi-Goutie`
res syndrome at the AGS1 locus. Nat. Genet. 38, 917–920.
There seems to have been a change in sorting somewhere between 2011 and 2012 (looks like some time after May 11, 2012), since looking back at an article from 2011 ( http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(11)01288-8 ), I see
Antonin, W., Fasshauer, D., Becker, S., Jahn, R., and Schneider, T.R. (2002).
andCrystal structure of the endosomal SNARE complex reveals common structural
principles of all SNAREs. Nat. Struct. Biol. 9, 107–111.
Antonin, W., Holroyd, C., Tikkanen, R., Honing, S., and Jahn, R. (2000). The RSNARE
endobrevin/VAMP-8 mediates homotypic fusion of early endosomes
and late endosomes. Mol. Biol. Cell 11, 3289–3298.
Pryor, P.R., Jackson, L., Gray, S.R., Edeling, M.A., Thompson, A., Sanderson,
C.M., Evans, P.R., Owen, D.J., and Luzio, J.P. (2008). Molecular basis for the
sorting of the SNARE VAMP7 into endocytic clathrin-coated vesicles by the
ArfGAP Hrb. Cell 134, 817–827.
Pryor, P.R., Mullock, B.M., Bright, N.A., Lindsay, M.R., Gray, S.R., Richardson,
S.C., Stewart, A., James, D.E., Piper, R.C., and Luzio, J.P. (2004). Combinatorial
SNARE complexes with VAMP7 or VAMP8 define different late endocytic
fusion events. EMBO Rep. 5, 590–595.
i.e. second author has higher precedence than year.
@adamsmith, this would probably be a quick fix for you. Let me know if you don't have time. I'll give it a shot.
Okay so I think i've confused you, the issue persists, no matter the style.
I have resorted in the past to actually changing the dates manually by adding a letter to the end such that they are presented in order eg 2000a, 2000b
But for what ever reason it still insists on presenting dates out of order or just plain backwards. Another example I have is I have three papers from the same author and go
Fevold 1933, Fevold 1932, Fevold 1930
They are all part or one citation and are presented correctly when cited, but the bibliography is backward. All the time. Regardless of style?
Thanks for your help, but I'm starting to think that this is not an easy fix....even endnote seems to have issues with exported files from zotero...but that's a whole other issue not related to this
Smith, Adam
is not the same asSmith, A.
, which is not the same asSmith, A
(note the period)At least in Cell, I can see that there is currently an issue with sorting. I cannot say the same about other styles. Try Journal of Molecular Endocrinology style, which I think sorts the way you want (at least it did last time I used it).
Edit: Also note that often single author papers are sorted before two author papers, which are sorted before three and more author papers.
For instance, using the Journal of Molecular Endocrinology certainly went a long way to fixing some of the problems. However some problems persist such as your previous comment "Edit: Also note that often single author papers are sorted before two author papers, which are sorted before three and more author papers."
But its a start and it has made it work much much better.
I'll have to scourer the nets to find one that suits me.
I went here for the styles http://www.zotero.org/styles
Do you know of a page that has user styles by any chance?
Cheers!
What problems are you still experiencing. Maybe it's a bug in the style, which we could fix.
Edit: sorry, didn't read carefully enough. Regarding the sorting of single, two, and multiple author papers, That more or less makes sense though (I understand that you might not like it however). This corresponds to the in-text citations, which are either (Smith 2000) (Smith and Jones 2000) or (Smith et al 2000). So just by looking at the in-text citations you would expect Smith to appear before Smith and Jones and that before Smith et al. You might have a hard time finding a journal where this is not the case. Perhaps @adamsmith knows of one off hand.
This is an example directly from the biblography
Fevold HL 1933 The chemical nature of the ovarian and the gonadotropic hormones. Journal of Chemical Education 10 174.
Fevold HL, Hisaw FL & Meyer RK 1930 The relaxative hormone of the corpus luteum. its purification and concentration. Journal of the American Chemical Society 52 3340–3348.
Fevold HL, Hisaw FL & Leonard SL 1932 Hormones of the corpus luteum. the separation and purification of three active substances. Journal of the American Chemical Society 54 254–263.
last time with the previous style it went 1933, 1932, 1930.
The order it has now is precisely how you described it earlier. Just the rules defined by the journal.
So I figure there has to be a compatible journal for what I am after that does the citations and the bibliographic sorting I wish to have.
(it's possible in CSL/Zotero, though, with relatively little trouble).
Thanks with all of the help :)
In JoME style, if you replace
<bibliography hanging-indent="true">
<sort>
<key macro="author-short" names-min="1" names-use-first="1"/>
<key macro="author-count" names-min="3" names-use-first="3"/>
<key macro="author-short" names-min="3" names-use-first="1"/>
<key macro="year-issued"/>
</sort>
with
<bibliography hanging-indent="true">
<sort>
<key macro="author-short" names-min="1" names-use-first="1"/>
<key macro="year-issued"/>
<key variable="title"/>
</sort>
It should sort the way you want.
See http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/style_editing_step-by-step for more help with editing styles.
Thanks to both of you. It now does the sorting I am after.
Cheers!