Fixing citations for a certain style

pjj365
I'm writing papers for the Journal of Wildlife Management style. I don't want to take the time to edit the current JWM style to get everything correct.

When I click edit bibliography in Microsoft word, I can edit the citation as it would print off in word while in Zotero. This is quick, easy, and I like it.

The problem is this edit isn't saved when I want to cited the same citation in a different word document. Is there anyway to save the edits so it always cites the way I want, and not in the incorrect format?
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  • RintzeRintze
    What's wrong about it?
  • pjj365
    Pages numbers aren't in correct places, words aren't italicized when they should be......it's a really long list.

    It's also hard to properly cite anything but a journal. Book chapters, thesis, conference proceedings.

    So instead of editing the syntax so Zotero spits it out right, I just want it to save the exact format of my manually typed citation and then spit it out everytime I cite that author in the JWM style. Is this possible?
  • RintzeRintze
    Other than manually copy and pasting bibliographic entries, no, there isn't really a way to do what you want. Obviously, the best way would be to correct the style.
  • noksagt
    No, that's not possible & it sounds like it'd be a house of cards. It seems much better to fix the style where specific errors in it are specified.
  • adamsmith
    (if you provide the list of issues one of use will fix the style)
  • noksagt
    words aren't italicized when they should be
    The author guideline only state
    If citations in a series have >1 reference for the same author(s) in the same year, designate the years alphabetically (in italics) and separate citations with semicolons
    This is done by the style already. If terms in article titles, etc. need to be italicized: fix them in your Zotero database. This fix will then be independent with style choice.
  • adamsmith
    for italicizing individual words in titles (such as species names) see here: http://www.zotero.org/support/kb/rich_text_bibliography
  • pjj365
    I appreciate the help. I'm very familar with the style. Honestly it's working flawlessly for regular journals, it's book chapters, conference proceedings, etc that it won't do properly.
  • pjj365
    OK adamsmith, here is an example. Here's what the citation should look like according to JWM format except the second two lines are indented in the word document, not an issue. Also it's italicized in the document:

    Gier, H. T. 1975. Ecology and behavior of the coyote (Canis latrans). in M. W. Fox, editor. The wild canids. Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, New York, New York, USA.

    Here is what it looks like:

    Gier, H. T. 1975. Ecology and behavior of the coyote (Canis latrans). The wild canids. Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, New York, New York, USA.

    As you can see, theres no editor, the latin name isn't properly italicized either.
  • adamsmith
    edited December 5, 2012
    Here is what the style will produce if all data is input correctly in Zotero:

    Gier, H. T. 1975. Ecology and behavior of the coyote (Canis latrans). Pages 247-262 in M. W. Fox, editor. The wild canids. Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, New York, New York, USA.

    That's exactly what the citation example for book chapters on p. 48 of the style guide says it should look like. Note that you have the page range missing in your data in Zotero. Also see my link above on how to add rich text formatting to article titles in Zotero (i.e. here the species name).

    edit: wait - I mixed up what was what. The general comments still hold, but you also want to check out this KB article: http://www.zotero.org/support/kb/edited_volumes_and_book_chapters on how to input book chapters.
  • pjj365
    Ok, but I still can't get this one in correctly

    wrong:
    Connolly, G. E. 1978. Predators and predator control. Big game of North America. Stackpole, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, USA 369–394

    right:
    Connolly, G. E. 1978b. Predators and predator control. Pages 369–394 in J. L. Schmidt and D. L. Gilbert, editors. Big game of North America: ecology and management. Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, USA.
  • adamsmith
    what item type are you using there? That doesn't look like it's produce by a "Book Section" item type.
  • pjj365
    Thanks. I think the only other thing I can't figure out for a book section is where to put the editors, in this case M. W. Fox
  • pjj365
    Ya, this is how far I can get.

    Gier, H. T. 1975. Ecology and behavior of the coyote (Canis latrans). Pages 247–262 in. The wild canids. Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, New York, New York, USA.

    Just don't know how to get M. W. Fox in correctly.
  • adamsmith
    Look at this:
    http://www.zotero.org/support/kb/edited_volumes_and_book_chapters
    or for a more visual explanations, look at frames 16-19 here:
    http://www.zotero.org/support/screencast_tutorials/manually_creating_items
    (He's adding a recipient for a letter, but adding an editor follows the same logic).
  • pjj365
    Thanks a bunch!
  • pjj365
    Wait, now after I do this I'm getting two commas after editor:

    Gier, H. T. 1975. Ecology and behavior of the coyote (Canis latrans). Pages 247–262 in M. W. Fox,, editor. The wild canids. Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, New York, New York, USA.
  • adamsmith
    double check how you have the author input - my suspicion would be that you put the extra comma there. The style does that correctly.

    You just want to input
    Fox <tab> M. W.
  • pjj365
    edited December 7, 2012
    I can repost, but any idea how to get a websites information into zotero for JWM formatting?
  • adamsmith
    in Firefox, right click anywhere in the webpage that's not a link --> Zotero --> Create New Item from Current Page.
    In Chrome and Safari with Standalone: right-click anywhere in the webpage that's not a link --> Take Zotero Snapshot of Current Page (wording may be slightly different).
  • pjj365
    I understand that, I'm wanting to cite a website's information in JWM format. Something like this:

    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration [NOAA]. 2005. National Weather Service nternet services team. Monthly precipitation for Reno, Nevada. <http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/rev/hydrology/monthly_precip.php>. Accessed 23 Aug 2005.
  • adamsmith
    that hasn't been included in the style - I'll do it, but that might take some time.
  • pjj365
    Wow thanks. Do you work for Zotero or are you just a Zotero guru?
  • pjj365
    Hey adamsmith, any luck with the website being included in journal of wildlife management style?
  • adamsmith
    this should work - not sure why it didn't before. What do you get as output from webpages?
  • pjj365
    It's not working. I have to manually put in the website, which is fine. When I add new item in Zotero standalone, web page is not an option. I have to go to the top of the item's metadata and change it after I choose another option. It cites in text like this:

    (www.prism.oregonstate.edu 2013)

    Doesn't include access 23 January 2013

    creates lit cited like this:

    www.prism.oregonstate.edu. 2013.

    Also not correct
  • adamsmith
    edited January 22, 2013
    create a webpage item using the instructions above:
    in Firefox, right click anywhere in the webpage that's not a link --> Zotero --> Create New Item from Current Page.
    In Chrome and Safari with Standalone: right-click anywhere in the webpage that's not a link --> Take Zotero Snapshot of Current Page (wording may be slightly different).

    Data imported from webpages typically needs some touching up, e.g for the PRISM page, you'd want to enter a date. If you enter 2013 in the date field, you'll get

    (PRISM Climate Group 2013)
    PRISM Climate Group. 2013. . Accessed 22 Jan 2013.

    If you want to you could also enter an author etc.
  • pjj365
    Still not working. Here is what I'm getting for the in text:

    (PRISM Climate Group 2013)

    What I should be getting (ignore differences in dates):
    (www.prism.oregonstate.edu, accessed 26 Nov 2012).

    What I'm getting for lit cited (indentation is correct in word):
    PRISM Climate Group. 2013. www.prism.oregonstate.edu. <http://prism.oregonstate.edu/>. Accessed 22 Jan 2013.

    What I should be getting:
    Parameter-elevation Regressions on Independent Slopes Model [PRISM]. 2013. PRISM homepage<http://www.prism.oregonstate.edu.>. Accessed 22 Jan 2013
  • adamsmith
    are you sure that's the in text citation you should get? That seems very odd, I've never seen accessed dates for in-text citations (note that the guide for authors _does_ request access dates for online sources - e.g. software - that is _not_ included in the bibliography. I suggest just manually typing that info, since you don't need it linked to the bibliography.)

    As for the citation in the bibliography, I can only repeat myself: You will need to manually input data for webpages, Zotero cannot magically guess data that's not supplied by the webpage. In this case, e.g. "Parameter-elevation Regressions on Independent Slopes Model [PRISM]". seems to be the title and "PRISM homepage" the Website title, no author. That'd give you the citation as you have it.
  • pjj365
    It's not quite working. I understand Zotero isn't magical by the way.

    This is now the in text citation:

    Parameter-elevation Regressions on Independent Slopes Model [PRISM]

    lit cited:

    Parameter-elevation Regressions on Independent Slopes Model [PRISM]. 2013. www.prism.oregonstate.edu. <http://prism.oregonstate.edu/>. Accessed 22 Jan 2013.
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