"Exclude year" in in-text citation

Hi and thanks to the developers of Zotero!

I would like to be able to exclude the year from an in-text citation. How can this be done in Zotero? It is possible to exclude the author, but I couldn't see how to exclude the year.

Thanks!
Jeanne
  • Jeanne,

    As far as I know, this is not currently possible. The new citation processor being prepped for Zotero has the ability to print only the author, without the remainder of the citation, but it's an experimental feature, and it remains to be seen whether it will see service. You can read about it in the processor manual (not particularly useful news, I'll admit).
  • Thanks for the answer.

    I think it could be useful for further development to have an "exclude year"-box just below the "exclude author"-box. (Especially if you're quoting an author already mentionned a few lines before and you just want to add the page number of the quotation, this would be useful.)

    Jeanne
  • Hello Jeanne,

    En fait, cette transformation est possible, je viens de trouver :D
    1. tu choisis ta référence ou tu édites une référence déjà introduite
    2. tu cliques sur "montrer l'éditeur..."
    3. tu effaces l'année et la virgule ou tu remplaces l'année par "ibidem"
    4. tu valides en cliquant sur OK

    Lorsque tu rafraichis l'affichage, tes transformations sont conservées.
    Pour voir à nouveau le nom de l'auteur, tu cliques simplement sur "cacher l'éditeur..." et la citation redevient complète.
  • edited November 21, 2012
    Il me semble que l'usage de l'éditeur est globalement déconseillé.
    Il y a d'ailleurs un avertissement explicite: « Warning: If you edit a citation in the editor it will no longer update to reflect changes in your database or the citation style ».

    De plus, pour afficher "ibidem", il vaut mieux choisir un style qui gère automatiquement les "subsequent citation".
  • It's not clear to me why you need this. If it's a common case, then I'm guessing what Gracile is writing (I don't do french) is probably along the right track (changing the style to have ibid handling).
  • edited November 21, 2012
    Hello,

    I have the same Problem like Jeanne, I also want to exclude the year from a in-text-citation. Especially it is useful when I write something like this:

    XXYY (1998) says, that ...

    So I'm joining Jeanne's request to add a "exclude year"-Box or a "Author-only"-Box in further development!
    (Because using Editor is inappropriate, see Gracile's answer.)

    P.S. Please use English language when you answer a English discussion...

    P.P.S. But fortunately there is Google translator...
  • Your example is exactly what the "suppress author" function is for - write XXYY in the text and use the word plugin with suppress author to insert (1998). We'll likely not get separate check boxes - it's a GUI disaster.
    P.S. Please use English language when you answer a English discussion...
    the original poster is French, as are most others in this thread and we frequently encourage people to post in their native language (particular if that's French, German, or Spanish) as it facilitates technical discussion and prevents misunderstandings because of language barriers. Feel free to start separate threads if you have trouble following a discussion.
  • Hello,

    I also need to be able to exclude the year from citations, and am wondering if this is possible now. I don't follow the French above, but am wondering if this suggestion has been implemented.

    Cheers,
    Laurie
  • why do you need to exclude the year? It's not been implemented and it's rarely requested, so I doubt it ever will be.
  • Hi Adam! It actually comes up semi-regularly for me. The most common example is when I need to add a page number for a quote when I've already included the author and date in the same sentence, or when I've been discussing one piece of research in depth for a paragraph.

    E.g.:


    Because it was published so late, Thomas Cobb's 1858 treatise on laws regarding slavery in the US had little impact on the debate about slavery, though with forthright claims that Blacks lacked judgment and imagination, were indolent, naturally mendacious, thievish, lascivious, and were hardly troubled by separation from their children (p. 39-40), it could certainly have roused abolitionist sentiments and sparked much debate.


    Or, from an earlier paper in which I've been discussing the same piece of (already cited) research for a paragraph:


    For Eisenberg, “[t]he key is to study how such structural factors and social changes literally affect our physiological status” (p. 396), and she sees sociologists as best prepared to analyze the relationship between changing social expectations of children in classrooms and common medical treatment of nonconforming children.


    I think it would be a useful feature, and I'm surprised more people haven't asked for it. I'm trying to make the transition from Papers to Zotero, and I was surprised this feature wasn't included in Zotero.
  • Since any change in citation style or in the structure of the text would require you to edit those citations again - what's the downside of just writing the page number in by hand?
  • Well, if I need to change styles because I'm changing to another style for a particular journal, the manner of indicating page numbers may not be the same (p. 3) or (pp. 3). I most often write in APA which actually requires that for multiple citations of the same source in the same paragraph, the year should be included the first time, and then should be excluded thereafter.

    From http://ego.thechicagoschool.edu/s/843/index.aspx?gid=14&pgid=583

    "Multiple citations of same source in a paragraph:

    Cite author(s) and year in first citation and exclude year in subsequent citations of the same work within a paragraph (as long as the study cannot be confused with other studies cited in the paper)

    - First time: Wasserstein et al. (1994) found…

    - Second time: Wasserstein et al. found…"

    So, while it may initially be easier to just put in the page numbers by hand, I want to manage my citations with a reference manager that can reformat my document into a different style if necessary, and those by-hand changes wouldn't be handled correctly.
  • Obviously you find/found this option useful and there's little point arguing with that but the reason I don't think this is worth the cost in GUI space, implementation time etc is this:

    In most relevant cases, you would have to manually touch up every one of those citations anyway - whether you inserted them with a reference manager or not. The only exception to this is (p. 3) vs. (pp. 3) and there I doubt the latter actually exists in a citation style (since pp is the plural).

    APA's requirements are a case in point: So you'd insert the 2nd reference in the paragraph without the year. But then you change the citation style and the new style doesn't agree with APA - so you'd have to manually add the year back. Or you delete the first reference with year - again you'd have to manually add the year back on. etc. etc. So I just don't see how adding such an option helps automatic switching much if at all.
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