Keep archive number every instance?

zachbe
I found this in another thread, but it got very technical, and I'm hoping it's outdated.

I want my archive number to appear also for brief citations not just full (first time) citations. Is there a place I can relocate the archive info to, in Chicago, so that it will always appear?
  • adamsmith
    no.
    You'd have to manually adjust the style (which I assume are the technical instructions you refer to).
  • zachbe
    What about, like the "suppress author" box, a box for "force full note"? Is there any way now to force full note?

    Archive number is in full note, but not brief note.

    I have other circumstances where I would prefer a particular brief note display as a full note (i.e. two different articles in two different journals with the same title, and brief notes don't display journal titles).
  • adamsmith
    I don't think there's a lot of enthusiasm for these types of additions, no. If need be you can manually edit notes (since Zotero 3.0 directly in the Word file), I think that's as far as that's going to go.
    The suppress author box is a function that all users of author-date citations use all the time. Force full note would be a box that a few users of note-based styles would use sometimes.
  • zachbe
    adamsith:

    thanks for all your help, by the way.

    I looked around but couldn't find an explanation for how Z 3.0 works differently in terms of manually editing notes in Word. Is there somewhere on the site that explains that? Is it not still true that once a citation has been edited at all, it no longer reflects changes made to that reference in the Z database? I've had trouble with that before ("I updated that in the database! Why is it not changing the footnotes?! [...refreshing Zotero, syncing Zotero, yelling at Zotero, punching the wall, restarting word, restarting zotero, restarting the computer, punching wall again...]Oh! I must have edited that one footnote manually!")
  • adamsmith
    that's still the case. The only difference is that you don't need to use the "Show Editor" function any more. So yes, if the lack of updating is a problem, that won't work for you. I don't have a good suggestion then.
  • zachbe
    Is there perhaps another field I could put the archive number into that would make it appear in every instance?

    If not, this ought to be changed, because in this case, Chicago clearly goes against Chicago rules.
  • zachbe
    My lesson learned from this is: Keep my secondary sources in Zotero, not my primaries. It is ironic seeing that this Zotero seems to have been started by historians.
  • adamsmith
    If not, this ought to be changed, because in this case, Chicago clearly goes against Chicago rules.
    what do you mean by that? Can you point to any place in CMoS where they state that the archive is supposed to be in the short version of notes?
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