Question / Problem with pasting into Wikipedia

A small quirk, it seems - possibly with Wikipedia, not Zotero?

When I paste the following into German Wikipedia:

{{Cite book
| publisher = Basic Books
| isbn = 0465036783
| last = Weisskopf
| first = Victor
| title = The Joy of Insight: Passions of a Physicist
| location = New York
| date = 1991
}}

the result shows TWO dots after the title:

Victor Weisskopf: The Joy of Insight: Passions of a Physicist.. New York: Basic Books 1991

Any idea?

(To me it looks as if the German Wikipedia itself would resolve the reference differntly than the US one? Not only about the dot - they also do not show the ISBN and the publishing date differently.)

Not sure that I can do anyting about it - would I have to contact the Wikipedia to fix this? (I'm only concerend about the double dot for now.)

Note that it works perfectly well in the US Wikipedia.
  • This is an issue with their template. If you grok deutsch, make a note at:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage_Diskussion:Cite_book
  • Thanks, noksagt - I took a first preliminary look:

    Now , that's odd! They are using another citation form altogether! If you use that one it works just fine (I generated it - outside from Zotero - from the ISBN using the tool available at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~holek/index.php).

    {{Literatur
    | Autor=Weisskopf, Victor Frederick
    | Titel=The joy of insight: passions of a physicist
    | Jahr=1991
    | Verlag=Basic Books
    | Ort=New York
    | ISBN=0-465-03678-3
    | Seiten=
    }}

    Not sure if you meant to imply by 'their template' that there is not anything Zotero could do to make the citation work through Zotero's output. Wouldn't a Zotero citation style that generates the output shown above achieve what I'm looking for?

    Is there a way I (as an end user, not a programmer) can adjust the Zotero output for Wikipedia? (I would assume a lot of people would benefit from being able to paste references into the German Wikipedia from Zotero; especially since the wiki folks do seem to prefer to show a different sequence of the bibliographical elements in the German Wikipedia - note how the output differs from both COinS if you paste them into a page on the German http://de.wikipedia.org).

    Note that I haven't had a chance to review all the in depth. (Like: why does it work at all with the English citation, given the different field names? Perhaps it's also possible to make the current 'Cite book' output from Zotero work in German Wikipedia: working with the German Wiki folks on their end.)

    Many thanks for any hints.
  • Not sure if you meant to imply by 'their template' that there is not anything Zotero could do to make the citation work through Zotero's output. Wouldn't a Zotero citation style that generates the output shown above achieve what I'm looking for?
    It is true that Zotero could work around this, but I don't see a reason for it to do so--manually entered citations have the same deficiency when there is a 'publisher' field present. If de.wikipedia fixed this deficiency, everyone would win. (de.wikipedia would certainly prefer you to use the other template, but 'cite book' is present & should be made to work correctly.)
    especially since the wiki folks do seem to prefer to show a different sequence of the bibliographical elements in the German Wikipedia - note how the output differs from both COinS if you paste them into a page on the German http://de.wikipedia.org).
    I do not think the two periods are an intentional style divergence. I think they have made a mistake & would fix it if it was brought to their attention.
    Note that I haven't had a chance to review all the in depth. (Like: why does it work at all with the English citation, given the different field names? Perhaps it's also possible to make the current 'Cite book' output from Zotero work in German Wikipedia: working with the German Wiki folks on their end.)
    The 'cite book' template is intentionally merged from en.wikipedia. The 'Literatur' template is unique to de.wikipedia. The latter might be better maintained, but it should be relatively easy for the de.wikipedia guys to fix the former.
  • Thanks for you comments. I fully agree on the double period thing. That should be fixed by the wiki folks.

    However, I've probably missed to point out more clearly that another central issue I wanted to raise was that the citation form itself (like where the year reference is positioned) is quite different in the German Wikipedia, hence my question if there is a way I could adjust this in Zotero's current Wikipedia style. (Unless you argue that the citation style should be the same GLOBALLY in Wikipedia - which it does not seem to be).
  • However, I've probably missed to point out more clearly that another central issue I wanted to raise was that the citation form itself (like where the year reference is positioned) is quite different in the German Wikipedia, hence my question if there is a way I could adjust this in Zotero's current Wikipedia style.
    I'm not sure what you mean. Zotero can not control how Wikipedia processes the exported information.

    Zotero only tells WP what the bibliographic information is. It is up to the individual WP's templating system to format a citation. de.wikipedia's 'cite book' template differs from en.wikipedia's version of the same template. This allows zotero to provide the same information in the same manner to both sites, but the sites can format the citation differently.

    On en.wikipedia, 'cite book' places the year between the author and title.

    On de.wikipedia, the year is placed between the publisher and isbn when using either the 'cite book' template or the 'literatur' template.

    Zotero does not need to do anything special for "cite book" to work both on 'de' and 'en.'
  • Ah, yes - I see. Thanks for pointing out that de.wikipedia just processes the SAME '{{Cite book' output from Zotero differently than en.wikipedia.

    I guess I confused myself simply because I'm still stuck on the earier idea (I guess) "How I can achieve for to Zotero to generate the '{{Literatur' output (quoted above) instead..."

    I understood, however, your point that the same can be achieved if the de.wikipedia folks fix the 'cite book' template to behave exactly like the 'Literatur' template.

    (I did not understood initially that this would work, given the field names in both version of Wikipedia are in a different language, hence my initial doubt about that route. But since 'cite book' does take English field names even in de.wikipedia there should be a way around the other issues with 'cite book' in de.wikipedia, too - I guess that was your point.)

    Thanks again for your patience with a rather new user. (Excided user about the richness of Zotero, that is, I shouldn't hesitate to mention again!)
  • Any chance that Zotero would - for pasting into de.wikipedia - support the necessary citation form {{Literatur any time soon?

    According to de.wikipedia conventions cited in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Cite_book and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Literatur the use of {{Cite book is depreciated and strongly advised against.

    This renders it impossible for me to use Zotero with de.wikipedia as the respective template http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Cite_book is not only depreciated (and messed around with by folks, it seems, since not really used) but also broken.

    I really appreciate Zotero and would more than love to be able to use it in my native de.wikipedia (as I successfully use it in en.wikipedia).

    Thanks for any input on this.
  • Even though I have (for the moment) adjusted http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Cite_book so that it (currently, still, for now...) shows the Zotero generated citations in de.wikipedia 'about' correctly (with ISBN, that is, and without extra periods after the title) the question posted above earlier remains:

    Any chance that Zotero would - for pasting into de.wikipedia - support the necessary citation style {{Literatur any time soon?

    Justification: According to de.wikipedia conventions cited in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Cite_book and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Literatur the use of {{Cite book is depreciated and strongly advised against.

    Thanks
  • Can't you just drag into the textarea and then manually change the words "cite book" into "literatur"?

    And yes, it is not Zotero's responsibility to fix Wikipedia's templates. If Wikipedia's templates are malfunctioning, you need to talk to Wikipedia about it. Zotero should not work around things like this, because they might be fixed in the future.
  • Any chance that Zotero would - for pasting into de.wikipedia - support the necessary citation style {{Literatur any time soon?
    If other Wikipedia sites do require different templates (though it's not clear to me if that's the case), someone could modify the Wikipedia Citation Template translator for de.wikipedia and use the site-specific Quick Copy settings in Zotero Preferences->Export to automatically use the correct template when dragging to each site.

    I've created a ticket that could help with this sort of thing if the translator were modified to check for an option such as "Deutsche" == true.
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