Question / Problem with pasting into Wikipedia
A small quirk, it seems - possibly with Wikipedia, not Zotero?
When I paste the following into German Wikipedia:
{{Cite book
| publisher = Basic Books
| isbn = 0465036783
| last = Weisskopf
| first = Victor
| title = The Joy of Insight: Passions of a Physicist
| location = New York
| date = 1991
}}
the result shows TWO dots after the title:
Victor Weisskopf: The Joy of Insight: Passions of a Physicist.. New York: Basic Books 1991
Any idea?
(To me it looks as if the German Wikipedia itself would resolve the reference differntly than the US one? Not only about the dot - they also do not show the ISBN and the publishing date differently.)
Not sure that I can do anyting about it - would I have to contact the Wikipedia to fix this? (I'm only concerend about the double dot for now.)
Note that it works perfectly well in the US Wikipedia.
When I paste the following into German Wikipedia:
{{Cite book
| publisher = Basic Books
| isbn = 0465036783
| last = Weisskopf
| first = Victor
| title = The Joy of Insight: Passions of a Physicist
| location = New York
| date = 1991
}}
the result shows TWO dots after the title:
Victor Weisskopf: The Joy of Insight: Passions of a Physicist.. New York: Basic Books 1991
Any idea?
(To me it looks as if the German Wikipedia itself would resolve the reference differntly than the US one? Not only about the dot - they also do not show the ISBN and the publishing date differently.)
Not sure that I can do anyting about it - would I have to contact the Wikipedia to fix this? (I'm only concerend about the double dot for now.)
Note that it works perfectly well in the US Wikipedia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage_Diskussion:Cite_book
Now , that's odd! They are using another citation form altogether! If you use that one it works just fine (I generated it - outside from Zotero - from the ISBN using the tool available at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~holek/index.php).
{{Literatur
| Autor=Weisskopf, Victor Frederick
| Titel=The joy of insight: passions of a physicist
| Jahr=1991
| Verlag=Basic Books
| Ort=New York
| ISBN=0-465-03678-3
| Seiten=
}}
Not sure if you meant to imply by 'their template' that there is not anything Zotero could do to make the citation work through Zotero's output. Wouldn't a Zotero citation style that generates the output shown above achieve what I'm looking for?
Is there a way I (as an end user, not a programmer) can adjust the Zotero output for Wikipedia? (I would assume a lot of people would benefit from being able to paste references into the German Wikipedia from Zotero; especially since the wiki folks do seem to prefer to show a different sequence of the bibliographical elements in the German Wikipedia - note how the output differs from both COinS if you paste them into a page on the German http://de.wikipedia.org).
Note that I haven't had a chance to review all the in depth. (Like: why does it work at all with the English citation, given the different field names? Perhaps it's also possible to make the current 'Cite book' output from Zotero work in German Wikipedia: working with the German Wiki folks on their end.)
Many thanks for any hints.
However, I've probably missed to point out more clearly that another central issue I wanted to raise was that the citation form itself (like where the year reference is positioned) is quite different in the German Wikipedia, hence my question if there is a way I could adjust this in Zotero's current Wikipedia style. (Unless you argue that the citation style should be the same GLOBALLY in Wikipedia - which it does not seem to be).
Zotero only tells WP what the bibliographic information is. It is up to the individual WP's templating system to format a citation. de.wikipedia's 'cite book' template differs from en.wikipedia's version of the same template. This allows zotero to provide the same information in the same manner to both sites, but the sites can format the citation differently.
On en.wikipedia, 'cite book' places the year between the author and title.
On de.wikipedia, the year is placed between the publisher and isbn when using either the 'cite book' template or the 'literatur' template.
Zotero does not need to do anything special for "cite book" to work both on 'de' and 'en.'
I guess I confused myself simply because I'm still stuck on the earier idea (I guess) "How I can achieve for to Zotero to generate the '{{Literatur' output (quoted above) instead..."
I understood, however, your point that the same can be achieved if the de.wikipedia folks fix the 'cite book' template to behave exactly like the 'Literatur' template.
(I did not understood initially that this would work, given the field names in both version of Wikipedia are in a different language, hence my initial doubt about that route. But since 'cite book' does take English field names even in de.wikipedia there should be a way around the other issues with 'cite book' in de.wikipedia, too - I guess that was your point.)
Thanks again for your patience with a rather new user. (Excided user about the richness of Zotero, that is, I shouldn't hesitate to mention again!)
According to de.wikipedia conventions cited in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Cite_book and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Literatur the use of {{Cite book is depreciated and strongly advised against.
This renders it impossible for me to use Zotero with de.wikipedia as the respective template http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Cite_book is not only depreciated (and messed around with by folks, it seems, since not really used) but also broken.
I really appreciate Zotero and would more than love to be able to use it in my native de.wikipedia (as I successfully use it in en.wikipedia).
Thanks for any input on this.
Any chance that Zotero would - for pasting into de.wikipedia - support the necessary citation style {{Literatur any time soon?
Justification: According to de.wikipedia conventions cited in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Cite_book and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Literatur the use of {{Cite book is depreciated and strongly advised against.
Thanks
And yes, it is not Zotero's responsibility to fix Wikipedia's templates. If Wikipedia's templates are malfunctioning, you need to talk to Wikipedia about it. Zotero should not work around things like this, because they might be fixed in the future.
I've created a ticket that could help with this sort of thing if the translator were modified to check for an option such as "Deutsche" == true.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Cepheiden/Zotero
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzerin:JakobVoss/Zotero