IEEE does not display page numbers for books in Bibliography

cudell
Hi Community:

I am using the 2008 mac word plug-in for Zotero and and it has been working great thus far, with one big exception. I am using IEEE style and I am always sure I am placing page numbers for all of my citations in the filed that says Page. For example. I "Add new citation" and select the book source. Then I add the page numbers in the proper field. But when I generate the bibliography in IEEE style, no page numbers appear. If I generate it in any other style - they do! Is there any way I can explicitly specify IEEE to display the data in the Page filed???

With MUCH Thanks,
Chet
  • adamsmith
    I'm a little confused - there is no "page" field for books. Could you provide an example of a citation where you don't get the page field in IEEE but do in another style (which?).
  • fbennett
    @cudell: The Page field data that you insert via the Word plugin is recorded in the document, and will appear in citations in non-numeric styles. Pinpoint page numbers are not shown in the bibliography, in any style that I know of (including IEEE), but if you are working from a publisher's guide that does require this, let us know.

    In IEEE and the other numeric styles, pinpoints are not shown in the document; all they show is the citation number. As far as I know that is correct according to the style.
  • adamsmith
    ah yes - what fbennett says - I misread your post.
  • cudell
    I'm sorry folks. I was attempting to do a chapter from a book, in which case I discovered I had mis-categorized the source as "book" instead of what I needed: "Book Section"

    Case Closed! Thanks community.
  • GJSnyder
    OK, I must be missing something - I need to cite a book with specific page numbers. When I enter these via the Word plug-in, they don't show up in the citation, and if I understand the above discussion, this is by design? (I'm puzzled by this and by the comment above, as this is fairly standard practice. If you want to see examples of ACS citation format, library.csusm.edu/finding/more/style_guides/ACS.style.07.pdf).

    I though I had a work-around by using "Book section", and selecting "Book author" instead of just "Author" to avoid the "In", however, now the citations to this book have no author, just "In" and the title. Is it a Zotero issue or an issue with the ACS style document? If it's the latter, I can't interpret the code well enough to attempt a modification - any other ideas? (Ideally, second and subsequent citations should refer back to the first... "see ref 92, pp 504 -507", but I'll assume that's asking a bit much, so I'll edit by hand.)
  • adamsmith
    I'm slightly confused by what you want to do, and what you refer to as citations and what as bibliography.
    Could you please provide an example of what you're trying to do and what should appear where?
  • GJSnyder
    I avoided the term "bibliography" as some people seem to interpret this as something different from a numbered list of references. I have superscript numbers within the doc and a numbered reference list at the end. For books, I need to have it display "Author, Title, Publisher, location, year, page range." The link in my previous post has several examples. Thanks for your help.
  • fbennett
    It sounds like you either just want a list of endnotes (for which you could use a note style, and set the notes as endnotes in the word processor). That will give you ibid and supra backreferences, which you say you need.

    However ... a little poking around on the Net for information on ACS and a look at the ACS styles already in Zotero shows that they are numeric reference-list styles (that is, a source is listed exactly once, and pinpoints are not used). But you say you need pinpoints.

    The starting point for confusion appears to be the CSU San Marcos guide to ACS style that you link to. It gives an example of a straight book cite with a pinpoint to specific pages inside the book. Ordinarily that would only appear in a note style (which ACS is not), or in an author-date style (ditto). Without more, I would be inclined to think that the editors of that quick reference just messed up. The more authoritative guidance notes at the ACS site that they link to do not contain such an example, and the other link (to a university in Ohio, looks like) is broken ... if you're certain you need to follow these notes exactly, you should ask for a more complete and precise definition of the style.
  • fbennett
    edited March 20, 2012
    Oh, wait, no. Chemistry. We have seen styles that are an amalgam of a reference list and endnotes, and this may well be one of them. The short answer (if you really do need pinpoints and backreferences in a number-style reference list) is that CSL can't cope with these at present. It's in my list of things to do, but I won't get to it for at least the next year or so. It will require some extensions to the CSL language itself, and chemistry seems to be the only field where this kind of referencing is used.
  • adamsmith
    What Frank says - there are various things that happen in Chemistry styles - there are page ranges for books - which probably wouldn't be hard to do, but we also sometimes see multiple works as part of one number (I don't think ACS does that, but Angewandte Chemie does, eg.).

    Logically, I still find all of this bizarre (as does everyone else involved in coding styles), which is why it's not implemented, but see Frank above - it likely will be in the future.

    Right now I don't see an alternative to manually editing at the end.
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