Chicago note
I recently tried to export a "Chicago Style Note" and the exported version is incorrect.
This is what Zotero generated,
Paul the Deacon. History of the Lombards. Translated by William Foulke. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1974.
This is a bibliography entry and not a footnote. Am I missing something here?
Thank you for your help!
This is what Zotero generated,
Paul the Deacon. History of the Lombards. Translated by William Foulke. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1974.
This is a bibliography entry and not a footnote. Am I missing something here?
Thank you for your help!
Paul the Deacon, History of the Lombards, trans. William Foulke, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1974), III.24.
Instead, I receive this "Paul the Deacon. History of the Lombards. Translated by William Foulke. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1974." which is a bibliography entry.
With the word processor plugins you'll get notes when using insert citation.
To export a citation (as opposed to a bibliography) from Zotero, select chicago note as a the Quick Format output in the cite tab of the preferences, then use the shortcut for exporting a citation -- see the shortcut tab, by default it's something like shift+alt+a
Use my instructions above.
I'm not seeing anything called Quick Format in the Cite tab.
Thanks! I need to create some footnotes and don't want to do it by hand.
Is this considered an improvement, and is it permanent? I have a lot of non-expert users at my institution and they rely on the menus and drop downs to find what they need. Distinguishing between bibliography and citation is great, but is there a way that it's visible within Zotero itself?
Are the instructions here for Quick Copy: http://www.zotero.org/support/creating_bibliographies the best thing to point them to?
The information on Chicago Style at http://www.zotero.org/support/kb/chicago_style_versions is now out of date, but what I'd really love is if you could give us "note without bibliography." I don't even see it in the style repository as a legacy option we could add back in.
My suggestion would be to encourage use of the Word Processor plugin - Chicago footnotes are going to be wrong (i.e. no ibid, no shortened subsequent notes) anyway if they're using drag&drop.
Yes, the Quick Copy Instructions are the place to point to. Both they and the CMoS site are in wiki form, so feel free to clarify/update them:
http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/documentation
I still hope you'll consider some way to put something into a menu or dialog box that indicates how to get citations out of Zotero 3.x for Firefox.
"I still hope you'll consider some way to put something into a menu or dialog box that indicates how to get citations out of Zotero 3.x for Firefox."
I wouldn't know where, to be honest (context menus are (over-)packed already), and shift-drag seems pretty intuitive/simple to me.
Alternatively, it would be quite easy to make an in-house copy of CMoS for you without a bibliography (i.e. restoring prior behavior). That would not be maintained and it wouldn't be hosted on the repository, but I'd be happy to make it for you if that's useful.
Thanks for the offer of a style. I'll be in touch again if that turns out to look like a good idea.
SLG.
Maybe shift-right-click could toggle that option to Create Citation... - Dan would have to say if that's possible.
I have a hard time swallowing that. It's two steps:
1. Set the Quick Copy format to Chicago Full Note (or Chicago Note if you want short notes). (That takes a total of 4 clicks and has to be done only once: Gears menu --> Zotero Preferences --> Export -->Select the style.).
2. Hold the Shift key while dragging.
I'm confident that can be taught to anyone with a high-school degree within 3mins.
@Dan - since this is apparently much more of an issue than we anticipated, adding a radio button would probably be a good idea, yes.
Note-based styles can define footnote(/endnote) entries and they can define bibliography entries. When a note style doesn't define a bibliography, "Create Bibliography from Selected Item" falls back to generating footnotes. There used to be separate Chicago note styles, one without a bibliography and one with, but that was redundant since the styles were otherwise identical, and maintaining them both was a hassle.
The word processor plugins generate the correct form automatically based on what you're doing. If you're using "Create Bibliography from Selected Item" within Zotero itself, with the new style it will generate a bibliography. You can, alternatively, set your Quick Copy settings and shift-drag items directly into any text field to create footnote citations rather than bibliography entries.
We're discussing ways to restore the ability to generate footnote entries via "Create Bibliography from Selected Item" when a note-based style also defines a bibliography, but that's a very slow way of generating these anyway.
I realize this may not be the most efficient way to generate citations, but it would provide continuity for current user and allow occasional/new users to figure out what's going on w/o RTFM. It's also against what I understand of the spirit of Zotero to tie it's best open source functionality solely to a paid commercial product (MsWord), so I really appreciate your consideration of this or a similar modification.
SLG
I hope that we'll get better RTF support in the not-too distant future to support scrivener, word perfect etc.
Using drag&drop has never and will never be as good as some version of word processor integration.
Issue created.
After I missed a couple of times I started dragging the citations into big blank spaces, and then cutting and pasting them via my clipboard before placing them. At that point, I was wasting my time, so the keyboard shortcut makes more sense for me. But a lot of otherwise intelligent people don't like keyboard shortcuts.
This is getting a bit off-topic, though. We've said we'll add a citation option to the dialog for people who don't want to use shift-drag or a keyboard shortcut, so we can pretty much leave it at that.