Citing one author with many publications in a year

Haballa
Hello, I am writing a paper and I have two citations using Mendeley desktop that i integrate with Zotero;
1 Feldmeier, H., Eisele, M., Van Marck, E., Mehlhorn, H., Ribeiro, R. A., & Heukelbach, J. (2004) and
2. Feldmeier, H., Witt, L., Schwalfenberg, S., Ribeiro, R. A., Cunha, F. Q., Harms, G., Mehlhorn, H., (2004)

The main author is one person with two publicatins in year. naturally I would expect it to be (Feldmeier et al. 2004a) and (Feldmeire et al. 2004b). Mendeley show it as (Feldmeier, Eisele, et al. 2004)and(Feldmeier, Witt, et al. 2004).

Question is which changes can I make to the csl file so as to relect the citation as I originally stated? e.g (Feldmeier et al. 2004a) and (Feldmeire et al. 2004b)

Thanks,

Andrew
  • Haballa
    I am using Chicago manual style (Author-Date) citation style
  • mronkko
    My Chicago manual of style is a the office, so I cannot check, but I believe that Zotero formats the citation accordingly what the manual specifies.

    If Chicago style is not what you want, you probably should try another style instead. If the style that you need os not included in the Zotero style collection, you can request a new style

    See:
    http://www.zotero.org/styles

    https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki/Requesting-Styles


    For editing styles, a good starting point is this

    http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles
  • adamsmith
    what mronkko says - specifically, CMoS 15.28 specifies:

    "If a reference list includes another work of the same date that would also be abbreviated as “Schonen et al.” but whose coauthors are different persons or listed in a different order, the text citations must distinguish between them. In such cases, the first two authors (or the first three) should be cited, followed by et al.

    (Schonen, Baker, et al. 2009)
    (Schonen, Brooks, et al. 2009)"
  • renemica
    edited January 17, 2012
    I´m using Chicago (author-date) on Word 2010/Firefox
    I have two references with a list of 6 authors (same authors, in the same order), with the same year. According to the reasoning above (adamsmith´s post), given that the co-authors are the same, Zotero should be giving me the first author plus "et al.", but instead, I get the whole list in every citation. (I´m pretty sure the author string must be identical in the database, since I duplicated the entry). Is this a problem with the CSL?
  • adamsmith
    @renemica - it's certainly not right.
    Could you export the two items from Zotero as Zotero RDF (right click --Export--> Zotero RDF) without notes or attachments, open the .rdf file with any text editor, copy and paste it into the window at gist.github.com, click "create public gist" and provide the URL so we can have a look?
  • fbennett
    @adamsmith: A little info about recent developments in disambiguation.

    If this does come out wrong, it is likely that the latest processor version will do better. I made some simplifying changes to disambiguation in processor release 1.0.260, which is currently in the Zotero 3.0 RC. However ... for styles that use disambiguate="true", the revised processor can hang, where the disambiguate="true" attempt fails -- I was bitten by this myself, and it's fixed in 1.0.261. That version hasn't yet been merged to Zotero, but should be coming up soon.
  • renemica
    Hi, this is the public git clone
    git://gist.github.com/1628973.git gist-1628973
  • adamsmith
    thanks - yes I can confirm that's not working correctly (you should have organizational authors in single field mode - click the white rectangle behind each author - but that doesn't make a difference here.)

    Let's see if the next Zotero version does better - The release candidate should be out soon, 3.0 will be out of beta by the end of the month.
  • renemica
    Thanks. I´ll wait for it. I hope it will be able to put "et al." in italics too.
  • adamsmith
    we can already do et-al in italics, but that's not a CMoS requirement.
  • fbennett
    I've taken a look at the input data. There seems to be one individual author, followed by five institutional acronyms. Is the individual author affiliated with the first institutional author, or a co-author at the same level as the institutions? (I'm trying to get a fix on what the authorship part of the cite actually means, as a first step toward figuring out what it should look like.)
  • adamsmith
    Frank - I've replicated this as a more general issue. It happens with 4 regular lastname, firstname authors, too.
  • fbennett
    I've gotten a chance to run the item in a document and reproduce the failure with the latest processor (which also misses the boat). It should fall back to the base after disambiguation fails, and so I'll try to fix that soon.

    I'm still curious how the cite should look, and what the underlying relationship of the individual and institutional authors is, though.
  • adamsmith
    The authors are all institutions (various Catholic organization issuinga joint statement on EU immigration policy). The correct citation is
    (Caritas Europa et al. 2004a; Caritas Europa et al. 2004b)
  • fbennett
    Ah, so Caritas Europa is an institution as well. Sorry, I should have tweaked to that.

    I spent some time today (during a meeting, shhh) adjusting the disambiguation engine to behave correctly here. It's passed the test suite, and will be checked in soon as processor revision 1.0.263. When that revision works its way into a Zotero 3.0 release candidate, this problem will go away.
  • fbennett
    All checked in. I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that we're starting to run out of issues with the processor.
  • adamsmith
    you jinxed it Frank:
    http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/21424/help-needed-for-capitalized-name/#Item_2
  • fbennett
    Fixed now. I'll renew the jinx. :)
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