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    International hassle:

    Writing a manuscript for an American journal on an German computer the APA-style generates the following:

    Alexander, L., & Luborsky, L. (1986). The Penn Helping Alliance Scales. In L. S. Greenberg & W. Pinsof (Hrsg.), The psychotherapeutic process: A research handbook (S. 325-366). New York: Guilford Press.

    (Hrsg.)=Herausgeber, should be (Eds.)
    (S.325-366) = Seite, shoud be (p. 325-366)

    Switching the system language (MS-Windows XP) to EN-USA doesn't help.
    Perhaps this is a problem for all styles. If there is already a solution, please give me a hint how to retrieve it in the forum.

    Armin Hartmann
    • CommentAuthorRintze
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2010
    I created a German translation in the Wiki.
    By the way: A restart of Firefox is required to activate the changes, a reload is not enough - right?
    Armin Hartmann
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2010
    Armin: yes, unfortunately you need a restart. And thanks for helping to improve the wiki.
    • CommentAuthormattw
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
    Hi guys, minor issue with the doi display in APA 6th. The style currently inserts a space between "doi:" and the doi; this is not required. I.e., doi's currently display as:

    doi: xxxxxx # but should be:

    Example here but have checked the 6th edition manual itself.

    Thanks for all the great work on this style!
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
    thanks for reporting this.
    Fixed, in the repository, use this link to update
    • CommentAuthormattw
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
    Great - thanks very much Adam!

    I've come across a couple of others, if you wouldn't mind taking a look (thesis finally nearing completion so doing a lot of tidying up!)

    1. Manuscripts should have title italicised, e.g.
    Author, A. A. (Year). Title of manuscript. Unpublished manuscript, Department of Psychology, University of Hats, Vancouver, Canada.

    Manuscripts will often have a university as part of the citation - there isn't a field for this atm, but slotting it into the type field (after "Unpublished manucript" or "Manuscript submitted for publication" etc.) does the job.

    2. Conference paper presentations or poster sessions - style given in the manual is:
    Presenter, A. A. (Year, Month). Title of paper or poster. Paper or poster session presented at the meeting of Organization Name, Location.

    There seem to be two item types in Zotero that could potentially be used for these in Zotero: Conference Paper, and Presentation. However, the Conference Paper item type does not provide a type field (for paper or poster session) and doesn't display the month of presentation. E.g., currently displays as:

    Presenter, A. A. (Year). Title of paper or poster. Presented at the meeting of Organization Name, Location.

    The Presentation item type might be a better possibility because it already includes a type field (it also already displays both year and month of presentation). It puts the presentation type after the conference/meeting name between commas, though:

    Presenter, A. A. (Year, Month). Title of paper or poster. Presented at the meeting of Organization Name, Poster, Location.

    Could this be switched to appear as "...Poster presented at..."?
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
    OK - so for one, if I understand you correctly, there is nothing I can do.
    For 2. I'll take a look - Presentation is definitely the way to go - conference paper is for papers published in proceedings.
    So if I understand that correctly, the date should have a month (in what form? Should it be 2007, July ? Maybe you could post a sample? Should that be just in the bibliography, or in the citation, too? And the type should be moved up in front of "Presented" which should only capitalized if there is no type. Correct?
    • CommentAuthormattw
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
    Hi again - for 1 (manuscripts), the only change really needed is to italicise title (doable?) - my comment about entering university was just a sidenote, really. Sorry if this was confusing.

    For 2 - the month should display as (2007, July). The month appears in the reference list only, not the citation. This already happens for the Presentation item type, not the Conference Paper item type, so no change is required if we focus on the Presentation type.

    Ref list sample: Jackson, A. A. (2007, April). The cat and the hat. Poster session presented at the meeting of the American Society for Hats, Norway.

    Citation in text: (Jackson, 2007).

    And the type should be moved up in front of "Presented" which should only capitalized if there is no type. Correct?

    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
    ok thanks - that should both be doable, I'll take a look sometime this week or on the weekend the latest.
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
    • CommentAuthormattw
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
    Looks exactly right - thanks very much Adam!
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
    no thank you for the careful reports - they help make zotero better.
    Here's another hiccup. Many journals list both a volume and issue number. For APA 6,the issue number is only listed in cases where each issue begins with "page 1". If the pages are continuous throughout issues within a volume (as often is the case), the issue number is to be left out. Here is an example with the issue number:

    Klin, A., Volkmar, F. R., & Sparrow, S. S. (1992). Autistic social dysfunction: Some limitations of the theory of mind hypothesis. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 33(5), 861–876.

    and without:

    Klin, A., Volkmar, F. R., & Sparrow, S. S. (1992). Autistic social dysfunction: Some limitations of the theory of mind hypothesis. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 33, 861–876.

    Note that "33(5)" is now just "33". Why APA decided to do this, I have no idea. Technically, it is superfluous information; but (obviously) it now requires a more detailed knowledge of any journal to be cited.

    I can't think of any way to get Zotero to ignore the "Issue" field in certain cases. Thoughts?
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2010
    this is unfortunately very common in styles and there is absolutely no viable solution I can think of - and it has come up quite a bit.
    We (as in the people writing most of the styles) have so far decided to leave the issue number in there for all relatively generic styles, because it's better to have additional information than to have relevant info missing.
    For some of the more specialized styles, where people in the field tell us that all relevant journals are continuously paginated we take out the issue number.
    • CommentAuthorpfernandutk
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2010 edited
    When I attempt to generate a bibliography from a website with no date and no author it seems to place an extra period after the date (maybe from where the author should have been?

    Example of problem:

    Activist groups launch new Facebook privacy offensive | The Social - CNET News. (n.d.). . Retrieved May 2, 2010, from;txt

    The place to look is right after (n.d.)

    It reads (n.d.)..

    instead of (n.d.).

    vs website with author and date:

    O'Reilly, T. (2005, September 30). O'Reilly -- What Is Web 2.0. Retrieved July 3, 2008, from

    vs website with author and no date:

    name, F. (n.d.). Facebook open-sources real-time FriendFeed facet | Webware - CNET. Retrieved September 21, 2009, from
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2010
    I'll have a look - it seems like this is less information than APA would want you to put for a website, but it shouldn't happen anyways.
    • CommentAuthorpfernandutk
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2010 edited
    It is significantly less information than APA ideally wants. But web sites being what they are - unless you are citing NYtimes or Wikipedia, it is often impossible to get all of the information that would be ideal.
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2010
    could you help me test this?
    Go here:
    download by right-clicking on the "Raw" link on the top right and "save as.."
    Install by dragging the downloaded file apa.csl to any open Firefox Window and OK when prompted.

    What would be important is to not just test the cases that were wrong in the old style - those are almost definitely corrected - but make sure that I didn't mess up any of the stuff that used to be correct in the process - I've only changed spaces and periods, so that's all you have to look for.
    • CommentAuthordekdek
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2010
    would like an apa 6th style which puts a direct link into reference list
    instead of as now:
    doi: xnumbersn

    have modified my HATED endnote to do this, but not sure how to implement in my prefered zotero. help appreciated

    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2010
    Find the part where it says
    <text variable="DOI" prefix="doi:"/>
    and replace it with
    <text variable="DOI" prefix=""/>

    here for general instructions
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2010
    also, pfernandutk - any luck testing?
    • CommentAuthordekdek
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2010
    thanks to adamsmith
    will get a stiff whisky and give it a go

    is it ok to do the copy in word if you are sure to save as a text file with a .csl extention?
    i'm on a mac & find it convenient to use word, even for text files
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2010
    I don't know for sure - but I would really use TextEdit - I'm not sure about any extra signs and spaces that Word might insert in the file.
    Apologies for the delayed response (and many many many thanks for looking into this!!).

    The downloaded fix, seemed to fix the problem. I also ran a couple of fairly large bibliographies with random items, and did not find anything noticeably wrong. I'm not an APA expert, but to my eye, it looks like what you did fixed it.

    So thanks!
    • CommentAuthortelemakos
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010 edited
    Hi! I have a strange problem related to the sorting order in the reference list for works of the same author (the same happens in in-text citations) using zotero with APA 6th, see example below.
    This is the reference list generated by zotero 2.0.3 in OpenOffice 3.2.1 (Win7 x64) containing journal articles and books by the same author. As you can see the list does not start with the earliest work. I'm not sure if this is the same problem reported by others. Is there a way to sort this out? Many thanks!


    Chesbrough, H. W. (2007a). Open business models: How to thrive in the new innovation landscape. Boston: Harvard Business Press.

    Chesbrough, H. W. (2007b). Why Companies Should Have Open Business Models. MIT Sloan management review, 48(2), 22–28.

    Chesbrough, H. W. (2003a). The Era of Open Innovation. MIT Sloan management review, 44(3), 35.

    Chesbrough, H. W. (2003b). Open innovation : The new imperative for creating and profiting from technology. Boston: Harvard Business School Press.

    Chesbrough, H. W., & Rosenbloom, R. S. (2002). The Role of the Business Model in Capturing Value from Innovation: Evidence from Xerox Corporation’s Technology Spin-Off Companies. Industrial and Corporate Change, 11(3), 529–555.
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
    the style itself codes this correctly, so the problem is something more complex than that.

    What do you get when you select the same citations in Zotero and look at the test pane (using APA 6th)
    • CommentAuthortelemakos
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
    Thank you for your quick reply. These are the results:

    Single Citations

    (Chesbrough, 2007a)
    (Chesbrough, 2007b)
    (Chesbrough, 2003a)
    (Chesbrough, 2003b)
    (Enkel, Gassmann, & Chesbrough, 2009)

    Multi Citations

    (Chesbrough, 2007a, 2007b, 2003a, 2003b; Enkel, Gassmann, & Chesbrough, 2009)


    Chesbrough, H. W. (2007a). Why Companies Should Have Open Business Models. MIT Sloan management review, 48(2), 22–28.  

    Chesbrough, H. W. (2007b). Open business models: How to thrive in the new innovation landscape. Boston: Harvard Business Press.  

    Chesbrough, H. W. (2003a). Open innovation : the new imperative for creating and profiting from technology. Boston: Harvard Business School Press.  

    Chesbrough, H. W. (2003b). The Era of Open Innovation. MIT Sloan management review, 44(3), 35.  

    Enkel, E., Gassmann, O., & Chesbrough, H. W. (2009). Open R&D and Open Innovation: Exploring the Phenomenon. R&D Management, 39(4), 311-316.  

    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
    pfff - follow this link to make sure that you have the most recent version of the style:
    but after that I'm at a bit of a loss. Zotero's main energy in that area right now is going into the implementation of csl 1.0 including a brand new processor, which should take care of this type of problems, but the actual release of that in Zotero 2.1 is still a bit out.
    • CommentAuthortelemakos
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010 edited
    Thank but this did not help unfortunately.
    However, I've found a turnaround!

    I've noticed that both wrong placed references (2007a, 2007b) came through google scholar.
    So I've just manually created 2 new items in zotero by copy-pasting the content from the misbehaving references and now the issue is solved. Everything is sorted the right way.
    Are there some metadata that influence the sorting?

    Could you pls. give me a link where i can get the old official apa 6th instead to replace the dev. stype if i have to revert back?

    Many thanks! :)
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
    the "dev" style is safe, the changes to the old one are marginal, but if you have to revert you can do that by going to the style repository and installing the style at the top of the page.

    Also, could you check the google scholar entries - could it be that the first names were spelled differently? E.g. the 2003 entries had full first names and google scholar only initials? In that case Zotero would treat them as two separate authors and since H. precedes Hillary in the alphabet put those first.
    • CommentAuthortelemakos
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010 edited
    ok thank you for the dev style. so, this should be newer than the official dated march 2010?

    I've consistently changed the first name into the initials in all the entries above, so I guess this was not the problem. Now I've deleted the 2 wrong entries to make sure not to mess up my references again ;)
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010 edited
    yeah the dev style is from May.
    For what it's worth I'd recommend keeping full first names in Zotero - many styles (including the super common Chicago Manual) require full first names.
    • CommentAuthortelemakos
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2010
    OK, thank you for the hint!
    • CommentAuthorrcusters
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2010
    Hi adamsmith, thanks so much for the style. I am not sure about APA6 but in APA5 issue numbers were rarely used. So it would just be the volume number (in italic), a comma, and the page numbers. Only if each issue of a journal would start with page number 1 (which almost never happens) you would use the issue number . Is there a way to change this or make issue numbers optional?
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2010
    rcustsers - scroll up to the exchange between Matthew and me on April 4th on this topic.
    It's possible to adjust the style - but for the reasons given above I find that unsatisfactory - but it's _not_ possible to have an option to toggle issue numbers.
    Hello, I would like to know if a CSL update for APA 6 is in the making that includes a field for the original publication date of an item? This issue was brought up earlier in this thread, but I do not see a follow-up.

    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2010
    I'm not going to change the style until Zotero 2.1 which will, I believe, have capability for original date of publication - is out of beta. Then it will be a small and quick fix, though.
    • CommentAuthorradaphat
    • CommentTimeSep 27th 2010
    Hi adamsmith,

    thanks for the improved APA. I wondered if you could tell me how to cite a manuscript that is unpublished. I put "in preparation" without quotes in the Date field, but when the citation in Word 2008 (Mac OS with Zotero 2.0.8) shows only the authors' names in brackets without ", in preparation".

    And in the references it shows the authors' names, then (, in preparation).

    I think the correct way should be (authors, in preparation) in the citation and authors (in preparation) in the references.

    Any suggestions? Thanks a bunch!
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 27th 2010
    that just doesn't work well yet - dealing with "forthcoming" etc. properly is non-trivial and right now I don't think that's possible in Zotero et all.
    The best workaround I can think of is to use an improbabl date - 2076 or so - and then find and replace at the end. Improving this is on the radar, though.
    • CommentAuthormattw
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2010
    Hi Adam,

    I'm wondering if it might be possible to modify the style such that page numbers in the reference list are separated by an en dash, regardless of whether an en dash or hyphen is used in the actual citation data?

    The examples in the APA 6th reference manual definitely use an en dash, though the manual doesn't explicitly give direction on this. I'm finding that most (but not all) downloaded citations have a hyphen rather than an en dash between page numbers.
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2010
    nope, that's not a style issue - nothing I can do in the APA style specifically.
    I think this has come up before for translators (which is where the hyphen would come from) but not sure.
    • CommentAuthorMarit_Uro
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2011

    I have a problem with using the APA 6th ed. in my dissertation. First, when I have several papers from the same author, the a/b/c differetiation doesn´t appear, neither in the text nor in the bibliography. Secondly I would like to only the authors last name to appear and "et al" instead of the German abbreviation. Does anybody have a solution for my Problem? Is there some update maybe I missed out on? And is there a German supprt team?
    Thank you very much for your help!
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2011
    1. No a/b/c disambiguation is weird - can you give a specific example? And which Zotero version is that?
    2. Only last names - I assume you mean in text?
    I'll improve how this works in APA shortly
    3. et al. - that depends - if you want the other terms (e.g. Hrsg. instead of ed. etc.) in German it's necessary to atually change the style
    4. You likely didn't miss up on an update
    5. Ich spreche auch Deutsch wenn Englisch ein Problem ist - das Problem ist nur, dass Du dann auf mich angewiesen bist, weil niemand sonst versteht was Du schreibst.
    • CommentAuthorMarit_Uro
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2011
    ah, fein. Deutsch ist für mich einfacherer. Deine Meinung ist sicher ausreichend gut. Den Einträgen nach scheinst Du Ahnung zu haben :) Also, im Text erscheint es z.B. so:(R. M. Bauer, M. E. Mayer, u. a., 2009), da macht es halt mal Ricarda M., mal R.M., das wäre schon mal gut, wenn das weg wäre, aber da hast Du mir ja den link geschickt. a/b/c hab ich halt jetzt nicht entdeckt und ich kann es auch nicht manuell machen, da ich schon nicht mehr weiß, auf welchen BAUER- Artikel sich das jeweilige Zitat bezieht (generell: gibt es da eine Funktion, wie man von dem unterlegten Zitat im Text direkt zu dem jeweiligen Artikel im Literaturverzeichnis springt? und wie genau mach ich ein Backup von meiner bestehenden Zotero Literaturliste? Ich habs auf Englisch nicht verstanden und dann gedacht: mein Computer wird schon nicht aufmucken....)
    Im Literaturverzeichnis erscheinen die Artikel dann so: s.u.. Ich hab mich ehrlich gesagt ziemlich auf Zotero und den Button im URL- Feld zum Informationen speichern verlassen und das alles nicht nochmal nachgeprüft...
    Und nochmal ganz grundsätzlich: Ist APA überhaupt der derzeit beste/gebräuschlichste Stil für eine deutsche Dissertation? Meine Promotionsordnung sagt, es muß nur alles eindeutig und üblich zitiert sein. Also ich hab gar keine konkreten Angaben, wie ich es hier schon in den Foren gelesen hab. Bin da ziemlich alleingelassen worden, weshalb ich derzeit leider etwas ohne Orientierung bin...
    Vielen, vielen Dank schon mal!

    Bauer, R. M., Bastian, P. J., Gozzi, C., & Stief, C. G. (2009). Postprostatectomy incontinence: all about diagnosis and management. Eur Urol, 55(2), 322-33.
    Bauer, R. M., Mayer, M. E., Gratzke, C., Soljanik, I., Buchner, A., Bastian, P. J., Stief, C. G., u. a. (2009). Prospective evaluation of the functional sling suspension for male postprostatectomy stress urinary incontinence: results after 1 year. Eur Urol, 56(6), 928-33.

    Bauer, R.M., Mayer, M.E., Gratzke, C., Soljanik, I., Bastian, P.J., Stief, C.G., & Gozzi, C. (2009). Harninkontinenz nach radikaler Prostatektomie. Der Urologe, 48(9), 1044-1049. doi:10.1007/s00120-009-2081-6

    Bauer, Ricarda M, Soljanik, Irina, Füllhase, C., Buchner, Alexander, May, Florian, Stief, Christian G, & Gozzi, Christian. (2011). Results of the AdVance transobturator male sling after radical prostatectomy and adjuvant radiotherapy. Urology, 77(2), 474-479. doi:10.1016/j.urology.2010.07.541

    Bauer, Ricarda M, Soljanik, Irina, Füllhase, C., Karl, A., Becker, A., Stief, Christian G, & Gozzi, Christian. (2010). Mid-term results for the retroluminar transobturator sling suspension for stress urinary incontinence after prostatectomy. BJU International. doi:10.1111/j.1464-410X.2010.09729.x

    Bauer, Ricarda M., Mayer, Margit E., May, Florian, Gratzke, Christian, Buchner, Alexander, Soljanik, Irina, Bastian, Patrick J., u. a. (2010). Complications of the AdVance Transobturator Male Sling in the Treatment of Male Stress Urinary Incontinence. Urology, 75(6), 1494-1498. doi:10.1016/j.urology.2009.12.012
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2011
    1. Backup: Das Grundprinzip ist Deinen Zotero Ordner zu finden, Firefox zu schließen, und dann eine Kopie des ganzen Ordners als Back-up zu machen.
    hat details auf Englisch, wenn Du was nicht verstehst frag nach.

    2. Grundsätzlich stellt sich die Frage ob Du "amerikanisch" - also mit Autor und Jahr in Klammern - oder numerisch zitieren willst (also mit Zahl im Text un Literaturverzeichnis). Für ersteres ist APA sicher einer der besten Stile, für letzteres würde ich wohl Vancouver empfehlen. Als Alternative gibt es noch den einen oder anderen Stil der speziell für Deutschland ausgerichtet ist - Havard 7 im style repository z.B.

    3. a-b-c: Der Stil setzt halt stattdessen die nachfolgenden Autoren um Zitate zu unterscheiden - das ist nach APA korrekt - passt das für Dich nicht?

    4. Und nein, vom Zitat ins Literaturverzeichnis kann man z.Zt. nicht ohne weiteres.
    • CommentAuthorrichardliu
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2011 edited
    Hi, thanks for providing the citation style for APA 6th edition. It looks great. I just noticed and fixed a very minor detail ( - APA publications do not note the issue number in parentheses after the volume number. Instead, the issue number is simply not listed in references. (The same issue applies for all APA publications in Zotero's repository - e.g., Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.) Apart from that, it looks good to me.
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2011
    that's actually not quite correct: The issue number is provided where journals aren't paginated continuously throught one volume/year. Since APA is a very general style used in various disciplines, we've decided to leave this additional information in the style - I'm not 100% happy with this, because it's likely that it should be excluded in more cases than not, but on the other hand throwing out potentially necessary information is a bad idea.
    There is no good way to incorporate information about continuous pagination in Zotero. It also seems like a bad idea to include two versions of each. So this is all a bit tricky.
    • CommentAuthorMarit_Uro
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2011
    ah, ok. also gibts bei mir kein a/b/c... find ich persönlich irgendiwe sehr unübersichtlich. ich schau mal, ob bei dem styles link was dabei ist. ist ja ne ganze menge auswahl. das mit dem backup krieg ich schon irgendiwe hin :)
    also, vielen lieben dank für deine gute und wirklich prompte unterstützung!
    • CommentAuthorMarit_Uro
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2011
    hallo nochmal!
    also, ich hab mir mal die styles angeschaut und den Harvard 7, den du vorgeschlagen hattest find ich schon mal besser. der macht nämlich z.B. die a/b/c Unterscheidung und es gibt keine vornamen im text. Aber mir sind dann doch noch ein paar sachen eingefallen, die ich wohl beachten sollte und bei denen du mir helfen könntest :)
    1. es erscheint u.a. statt et al. im Text, obwohl es in dem Bsp. auf der style- seite mit et al. angezeigt wird. bei den anderen sachen oben hab ich keine präferenzen. kann ich das also nur das ändern und den style beibehalten?
    2. kann man die artikel vom gleichen autor in der bibliographie auch nach erscheiungsjahr sortieren? könnte ich die position des eintrages problemlos, d.h. ohne auswirkungen auf die zitatezuordnung, manuell ändern? (so viele von diesen fällen, die ich ändern würde hab ich nämlich nicht)
    3. kann man die klammern in eckig umändern?
    4. zeilenabstände und ausrichtungen kann man in den bibliographie ja auch manuell ändern. bleibt das folgenlos für die zitatzuordnung im text?
    so, das hab ich mir in der letzten halben stunde noch überlegt :) hast du eigentlich auch sowas wie eigenes forum, wo man dich direkt anschreiben kann? dann müßten die anderen die lästigen deutschen einträge nicht mitlesen...
    also, danke nochmal

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