Embedding citation in Word without brackets

When i embed citation in Word (DOCX) file with Zotero plugin, it shows like this:
(Dog, 1970)
But sometimes i need to cite like this: Dog (1970)
That means that the name of the author should be outside the brackets.

How it can be done?
  • You'll need to use to check "suppress author" when inserting the citation, then type the author name manually.
  • Good idea but this is a workaround.
    This means that i cannot update the citation correctly, except the year.
    I presume this is a lacking feature of Zotero.
  • You're right that this isn't the most elegant solution, but there has been extensive discussion of how else this might be done; the problem is that the author name is grammatically part of the sentence, which introduces a lot of limitations. It is just not sufficient to sometimes insert Author (Year) and sometimes (Author Year) -- previous discussions have brought up many cases where that will fail. Furthermore, a key feature of Zotero is smooth switching between styles, and so we need to account for when someone switches from an in-text style to a note style; for a note style, the author name will have to stay in the text, while the year will be replaced by a footnote or endnote marker.

    There has been some progress on making this easier-- the new version of the citation processor can insert only the author, but no one has quite figured out how to integrate such functionality into Zotero in a way that makes sense. Your advice here is welcome-- what workflow would you imagine?
  • First of all thank you for your quick response.
    I used Zotero Word plug-in extensively for a month and recently noticed that are two different techniques of citation with/without brackets in the articles.
    If i use Zotero plugin citation this limits me to specific style of writing because bracket citation is used mostly in the end of the sentence and i am using it everywhere (i think professor will be angry).
    I don't know how to solve it, it think the best solution is to allow citation without brackets around the name.

    Yes, there are languages that add suffixes to Names such as Russian Language.
    For instance
    Male Author: Dog, Cat, Cow
    Female Author: Doginskaya, Catinskaya, Cowskoya

    The suffix for most female authors is: aya
    I think it also applicable to German but i am not sure, i know only Russian.

    In English (not my native language though) we don't use suffixes so my proposal is not a problem, also English is the main language for citation and research paper so high percent of users will appreciate this.
    So you can create two modes of citation:
    1. English mode: with or without brackets, according to need of the sentence. No suffix control is needed (default mode).
    2. Suffix mode: with or without brackets but with an ability to TWEAK author name so it will be possible to add suffixes. Yes this created an UPDATE/REFRESH issue but if we talk about a Russian language (for instance) from the beginning the user should write the last name with the suffix (anyway there should be a suffix control for times when the user is not sure about the gender of the writer or decides to leave it to a later date).
  • edited February 20, 2011
    For previous discussion, see http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/11561/
    In that thread, I said:
    Well, the reason for this is that the author name in this and many Author-Date styles is often integrated into the grammar of the sentence, so it isn't quite as simple as replacing (Author, Year) with Author (Year)-- it can be something more complex, like: "Cummings et al.’s (2002) results are very interesting". Zotero can't handle this... I believe there has been discussion of a "Suppress date" checkbox to complement the "Suppress author" option, but this hasn't happened, in part because it would be problematic for writers who switch from an Author-Date to Note citation style.
    As you see, even for languages with limited inflectional morphology (English), this still doesn't work. And I think you really don't want to try to make an automated system for this in the many languages that do have inflectional morphology (Slavic and Turkic languages are particularly rich in this area). Do you suggest users somehow mark the stem so that it is inserted by Zotero, and the suffix will be inserted by the user? This strikes me has more convoluted and error-prone than the current system. Indeed, we know from Slavic alone that even stems aren't stable; consider: "основные результаты Льва Толстого (1863; 1865)" [in Russian; given name used for disambiguation shows ь/е alternation in the stem] or "první článek Haška (1924)" [in Czech; surname shows an etymologically similar e/null alternation in the stem].
  • Its certainly a big issue.
    My proposal is simple: Lets focus on English language for time being.

    I cannot imagine creating an automating system that will create suffixes for different variation but again i am not a computer or linguistic expert.
    Anyhow majority of users are writing relatively short papers. most scientific papers span 15-45 pages, so a fix here and there is not what will kill us.

    I read the post in the link that you sent me, i probably start using the manual override, as i said "fix here and there won't kill us".

    I wonder how other Professional and paid citation software handle this issue?
  • edited February 20, 2011
    It's definitely the case that all citation software leaves some tweaking up to the user; indeed, citation isn't a completely rote activity that doesn't require thought and input from the user.

    As for the feature-completeness of Zotero, and how other software handles this, I'm pretty confident that Zotero has the most robust and expressive citation support of anything currently on the market. It certainly is a professional piece of citation software. Mendeley's support is very similar, of course, since it uses the same citation engine as Zotero, citeproc-js.

    This is also not the time to focus on only English-- any new functionality in Zotero must be developed with the intent of making it work well with most or all languages; anything else is not acceptable for a large software project with a worldwide user base and a fast-growing presence around the world. We're doing enough backtracking now to fix Anglocentric assumptions without adding more assumptions.
  • 1. I am glad that Zotero is focusing on all users. I had issues with Zotero when i tried to create Hebrew citation, i presume this problem occurs with all Right to Left Languages.
    2. I succeeded some how to do what i wanted with EDITOR. I edited citation in Zotero editor and changed brackets location, but then i lost the ability to update the names.
    I think there is some promise in Zotero editor, it can work similar to Word 2007 blocks/Excel formula syntax, just place some blocks in certain order and presto.
  • Please open a new thread with the concerns from point 1; I have used Zotero successfully with citations in an Arabic script. Include the versions of Zotero, Zotero Word integration, and Word, the text you used, the expected citation, and what actually happened.

    Don't use the edit citation functionality unless absolutely necessary. The correct solution at present is to use "Suppress Author" and enter the names separately; other solutions are going to cause problems.
  • Thanks, I never notice this "suppress author" box.
    I regret Bibus for this simple functionnality, there is a button inside Word/OOo allowing to switch easily from one way to other one...
  • In this regard, consider the dialogue box where one can select "Suppress author":
    it would be a huge improvement to the workflow if one could easily copy the author names to the clipboard. At the moment its impossible to select and copy/paste the author's name into the text. Ctrl+c/Ctrl+v is much more convenient than entering often several weird names by hand. And it shouldn't be too difficult to implement, right? Just make the text selectable.
  • @GDS, I proposed another solution a while back: http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/20374/field-level-prefix-and-suffix/?Focus=121696#Comment_121696

    Basically, the word processor plugin could automatically insert the formatted author names before the "suppress author"-citation field.
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