Quotation mark weirdness (using McGill Guide)

hey there! I noticed a few funny quirks with quotation marks when citing newspapers. I am using the McGill Guide - I know it was recently updated to the 10th edition, so I'm not sure if the issue is arising there, or with the specific newspaper items, or someplace else.

As a general note, the guide calls for double quotations ("...") around the title in newspaper articles (as well as journal articles)

First: I noticed that zotero has generally successfully been putting the double quotations around the titles, but a handful of newspaper article footnotes are generated without any quotation makrs around the title. The only difference I can tell between the items is that the ones with the problem were identified as newspaper articles by the zotero connecter when I imported them to my library. Sometimes the connector doesn't recognize a piece as a newspaper article, so they were imported as webpages & I manually changed them to newspaper articles - and these are the ones that are correctly formatted with the quotation marks.

Second, remember that it's double quotations ("...") around the title. Any quotations within the title itself maintains its form, so if the article's title contains double quotations those are retained, and if they contain single quotations ('...') those are retained.
For example, a title from today's NYT: L.A.'s Clear Skies Conceal a 'Toxic Soup'
The title appears the footnote like this: "L.A.'s Clear Skies Conceal a 'Toxic Soup'"

I have discovered that even if I input single quotations to the title field for the item, the quotations will be transformed into double quotations in the generated footnote - "Toxic Soup" instead of 'Toxic Soup'. Why does this happen? Can I prevent this?

Thanks!
  • For 1, for some reason the style doesn't use quotes for newspapers when there is section information. I have no idea why that was done, but it's very deliberate.

    For 2, The quotation marks should flip -- so if you have double quotes, internal quotes are single (and vice versa). There's no way to adjust that, no.
  • for 1 - This is very odd, but solved the issue. In one of the examples I am looking at, I didn't even have anything in the "section" item field, but the "extra" field had the words " Section: News " in it, which was enough to trigger the function, so I just removed it.

    I have the 10th ed McGill Guide in front of me and I can't figure out why the zotero style would be designed to do that, it's not in the guide.
    I'm shooting an email to the reference librarian at my law library to see if we can figure out why it was coded this way.
    Do you know if this might have been inadvertently borrowed from a different style code that the McGill one is based on?

    for 2- thanks for clarifying this.
  • edited 4 hours ago
    It's absolutely possible that 1. is a mistake or an attempt to codify a different item type or something else entirely. I didn't see any comment to that respect and it's not my style, so if you can come up with any theories, that'd be welcome. Otherwise I'm inclined to remove this logic (which seems odd to me, too).
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