New American Meteorological Society style

cjschrec

I've added the American Meteorological Society style conventions to the repository. It can be found at:

http://www.zotero.org/styles/ametsoc/dev?install=1

It's mostly based on the very similar "Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Press". Discussion of the development can be found at

http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/5257?page=1

adamsmith

looks great. Couple of small things
- you should delete all the (devs) in the name of the style - zotero automatically adds one.
"atmospheric-science" is not a style category
You can find a complete list in the csl schmema here
http://xbiblio.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xbiblio/csl/schema/tags/0.8/csl.rnc
(search for astronomy to find the list).

Are you still interested in getting the p. vs. nothing right? It is possible and not hugely complicated.

cjschrec

I think I fixed those errors now.

I'm somewhat interest in the p/no p, but it's a fairly low priority.

A higher priority would be figuring out the bibliographical entries for online journals. For example, something like:

Zhang, C., 2005: Madden–Julian oscillation. Rev. Geophys., 43, RG2003, doi:10.11029/2004RG000158.

I'm not really sure what field RG2003 even corresponds to.

adamsmith

I don't understand - where is that from? Is that how it should look or how it does look?
didn't see that in the styleguide.

Rintze

From looking at the paper: http://dx.doi.org/10.1029/2004RG000158 (the DOI above apparently has a typo in it) and http://ic.ucsc.edu/~acr/ocea290e/assigned articles/zhang_revgeophys_2005.pdf, my guess would be that the RG2003 is an alternative to page numbers.

adamsmith

ok - that would look right in the citations style, too - although it wouldn't provide the DOI, I believe.

cjschrec

Yeah, thinking about it more, for some reason I think the AGU replaces page numbers with "RG2003, doi:10.1029/2004RG000158". So this is not an issue for the citation style, it's a difference in how the citation should be imported in the first place.

adamsmith

I don't know - I don't think the doi should be in the page field (ever). But treating RG2003 as a page number and then adding the doi could work.
Maybe with something like if is-numeric="page" to distinguish it from regular page numbers or so?

cjschrec

I'm having trouble figuring out how to do "and Coauthors" in the bibliography for articles with 8 or more authors. From the forums,

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=fbb7c5df0812120613p610a3bd2oc0a5e895240dab13%40mail.gmail.com
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=188351850912152258w7543bb42pbc28edcee190aa82%40mail.gmail.com

It seems like it should be possible, I just can't quite make out how to implement it.

adamsmith

could you give an example of how that looks?
If you'll have "et al." in the bibliography and "and Coauthors" in the bibliography that won't be possible.
If this lists the first couple and the last author as suggested by APA now that isn't possible at the moment either.

cjschrec

The citations are correct, e.g., (Jones et al. 1999)

But the bibliography should look like:
Jones, A. B., and Coauthors, 1999: .....

Currently, it is
Jones, A. B., et al., 1999: .....

adamsmith

yeah - you can't do that, sorry -
"and Coauthors" is just like an et al. term - you can define that in the terms section of the style - but you can only define it once - so it's either "et al." for the entire document or "and Coauthors" for the entire document.

I have to say this is a particularly moronic citation rule (which obviously isn't your fault...)- why on earth would anyone want a citation in the bibliography to look different than in the text? You obviously expect your readers to know what et al means. Once again I'm left to wonder - who comes up with these things?
sigh.

cjschrec

Haha, yeah, looking through the styles for an analog, I was amazed at how many marginally different ways these publications do the same thing. It's impressive to me that zotero can handle it as well as it does.

It seems like the important stuff works with this style now, and it's probably good enough for now.

Thanks for your help!

Rintze

Note that CSL 1.0 will support separate et-al terms for the citations and bibliography. See the (draft version of the) upgrade notes: http://bitbucket.org/bdarcus/csl-docs/src/056d9195f697/upgrade-notes.txt#cl-606

seldom209

Thanks a lot everyone for your efforts.. I have been waiting for this style for long time.. After a quick check, it looks good for my citation list..

cjschrec

I have made a few tweaks to this style. Specifically, I think it handles conference presentations better now. The newest version also adds "p." when referring to specific page(s), and "pp" after number-of-pages for book citations.

A word of caution, the Zotero can easily import citations from the AMS site, but the citations that the AMS provides don't meet their own standards! They capitalize the first letter of every word in the title, and they fail to abbreviate the journal names. These are relatively easy (though annoying) fixes for the user.

I only see two outstanding issues:

1) Allowing "and Coauthors" in the bibliography. Currently, all authors are listed and it is up to the user (or more likely the copy editor) to trim sources that have more than eight authors.

2) Some initials should be hyphenated (e.g., C.-C. Chang). Currently, Zotero will display only the first initial (C. Chang). The workaround I use is to add a space after the hyphen in the name field so that it displays as "C. C. Chang", figuring that it is more important to get both initials than the hyphen.

Both of these are fairly minor issues, and will have to wait for future releases of CSL.

Rintze

I made some modifications to the American Meteorological Society style. Most notably sorting should now be properly implemented, as well as page locators (preceded by "p. " for single pages, and without prefix for page ranges) and the "and Coauthors" bit. I also included the DOI, as it is clearly required for non-AGU and non-AMS publications that are cited.

lakshmikch

Can anybody please help me as of how to fix the following issue with AMS style when adding book chapter to references.

In bibliography, for a chapter in a book, zotero prints page number before publisher, but according to AMS style, page number to be after publisher. It also does not add "Eds" before publisher name.

See the example below from AMS recommended style,

Chapter of a Book

Author(s), publication year: Chapter title. Book Title (italic), Editor(s), Publisher, page
range.

Kauranne, T., 1990: An introduction to parallel processing in meteorology. The Dawn of Massively Parallel Processing in Meteorology, G. R. Hoffman and D. K. Maretis, Eds., Springer-
Verlag, 3–20.

Thanks.

adamsmith

it'd be great if cjschrec could take care of this - otherwise I or Rintze will do this eventually, but I've got a bit of a backlog of things that I need to do, so that would take a couple of weeks.

lakshmikch

Thanks for the response.

I realized one more problem with Zotero. Suppose a author name is "last name IV". In AMS style, in bibliography, it has to appear as "last name IV" but while citing in the document, it has to just appear as "last name" without IV added to it.

But currently, zotero inputs as "last name IV" in main text while citing the reference. Could you please let me know if there is a way to fix this. Thanks.

adamsmith

you're almost certainly seeing some version of this:
http://www.zotero.org/support/kb/given_name_disambiguation

cjschrec

I believe I have fixed the Publisher/Pages issue, just have to wait for it to work its way through git.

On my computer, it appears to be doing the "Eds." correctly already. Please verify that is the case for you too.

Let me know if I've broken anything else in the process. I did change it from double space to single space, as that makes more sense to me.

As someone who is a "Last Name III", I know that many people just omit the suffix in the references. It'd be nice if Zotero could handle it though.

RissaR

I'm using the AMS csl (Via Mendeley and Microsoft Word 2011 on a Mac), and I'm having trouble getting it to put the "---" at the begging of a bibliography citation for a repeated author. I see the line in the csl code that should be performing this:

<bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="11" et-al-use-first="7" subsequent-author-substitute="———" entry-spacing="0">

but it's not doing it. I've checked my author names over and over (it's happening on every occasion of multiple sources which share a first author), and I'm positive that they are indeed identical, so this should be working. See a picture of my problem here, with the author problem being with "Ek, M. B."

http://i61.tinypic.com/20thuf5.png

adamsmith

by default, authors only get substituted when all are the same. Could you have a look at the four options for subsequent-author-substitute-rule described here: http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#bibliography-specific-options
and let us know which of them (presumably one of the last two) conforms with what AMS requires (and does in practice).

RissaR

Thanks for the quick response, Adam. I was hoping I was missing something simple. It looks like the rule that's standard is "partial-each".

adamsmith

you get that line from the AMS style in Mendeley? The style that I see on the CSL repository doesn't do any author-substitution at all:
https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/american-meteorological-society.csl#L153
which looks like it's incorrect, but I'm a bit confused that Mendeley would use a different style entirely.

RissaR

No, by default, Mendeley is using the exact code found here (they reference straight to this website for the download). I found a code that I knew permitted author substitution after seeing someone reference it on these forums (Chicago style, I think) and added the "subsequent-author-substitute" bit myself. I just added subsequent-author-substitute-rule = "partial-each" to that line, and all is working right now. I just didn't know what the option was that I was missing.

adamsmith

I'll fix the original AMS style up a bit

adamsmith

OK, AMS should now do this correctly (you'll likely have to manually install from https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/american-meteorological-society.csl - Mendeley takes some time to pull new styles in).

cjschrec

FWIW, while the AMS does this in typesetting for the journals, their style guide actually says not to do it in submissions. The current website doesn't mention it one way or the other, but the text below is from the 20081103 guide (still online at https://wiki.ucar.edu/download/attachments/52003891/authguide.pdf)

References should be ordered alphabetically by the last name of the first author. When there is more than one reference by the same first author, use the following sequence to order them: all singly authored papers first, arranged chronologically by year of publication; followed by papers authored by that first author with only one coauthor, chronologically by year; followed by papers authored by that first author with two or more coauthors, chronologically by year. Do not use a 2-em line to denote repeat authors—they will be added at typesetting stage by our press.

cjschrec

I'm now getting inconsistent results with repeated authors in Mac Word 2011. It looks like zotero automatically updated to the new 3/29/14 version of this style.

Sometimes the repeated authors are still spelled out, other times they are replaced by "true", but never with a dash.

ftp://filsrv.cicsnc.org/carl/examples/ams_zotero_2014-04-18.png

Thoughts?