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- CommentAuthorkhenders
- CommentTimeDec 20th 2007
Thanks for the notification that the The Royal Society of Chemistry Journals format is available. I found Zotero CSL Repository at http://www.zotero.org/styles. Can you tell me how to install one of these new styles into Zotero.
Regarding the American Chemical Society see: http://pubs.acs.org/books/references.shtml
Also, Angew. Chem.: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/26737/home/2002_authors.html
Cheers,
Ken. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeDec 20th 2007
It would be great could say we support more of these.
First, I'm uneasy with placing so much emphasis on a single field. There are still missing "base" styles (Turabian comes to mind, as well as the two Bluebook styles) that we need before worrying about obscure discipline-specific journals.
Second, Codec has been doing some fantastic work drastically expanding the number of available styles, and I hope he'll continue to do that. But I also think it'd be "nice" if he got some more help, either from people that work with Zotero, or from tech-savvy people on this board.
Think of it: in the space of a couple of weeks, one person managed to expand the number of styles by 50 or so. What would happen if 10 people contributed even half that number? How long until we, say, matched Endnote?
BTW, I'm taking care of Bluebook. I expect to have something worth testing along with the 1.02 release. -
- CommentAuthorerazlogo
- CommentTimeDec 20th 2007 edited
Bruce--
Turabian is basically the Chicago style with minor modifications. While it has been used in teaching extensively up to now because the printed manual is cheaper, the Chicago style is easier to teach at this point because it is available online and many universities have subscribed to it. However, if no one takes Turabian up in the next few weeks, I'll draft a version--I'll only be able to get my hands on the latest version of the manual in January.
Elena -
- CommentAuthordancohen
- CommentTimeDec 20th 2007
We are obviously deeply indebted to Codec, and he need not do these styles if he is feeling overworked, unaccompanied, or underappreciated (though we have expressed our great appreciation through several channels, and let me say it again: Thanks so much, Codec!). We do intend to put others from the Zotero team on CSL building after we finish up some of the server tasks, but would of course appreciate help from others outside the team. I think Trevor's intention was just to add some history/humanities journals to the mix that are not straight copies of Chicago (and that could help balance out the recently added science styles). (And yes, we are the Center for History and New Media and are thus showing our bias.) -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeDec 20th 2007 edited
That's cool Dan; just reminding us all not to forget the forest, and encouraging others to help if they can. Don't mean to pick on Trevor.
BTW, there are a couple of things that I don't see support for, both of which are common in some areas of the humanities. The first is for those fields (like, say, Japanese history within the Anglophone academy) that deal with mulitple languages: contributor names in multiple languages and scripts, translated and transliterated titles, original dates (for historic works), etc.
We ought to try to get one of these in soon to make sure CSL can handle them (I think it can for the most part, but havne't rigorously tested it). The Japanese Journal of Religious Studies is a really demanding one (see an example article). I know we need to add back some stuff from an earlier version of the CSL schema before we can fully support this, and I hope to work on that soon.
[Also, of course, Zotero can't yet encode the data for these sorts of fields, so that'll need to be fixed sooner or later.] -
- CommentAuthorsean
- CommentTimeDec 20th 2007 edited
Allow me to remind Dan, Elena, and Bruce that this forum thread is not the best place to have this particular discussion. Before we move back to our regularly scheduled programming of fielding Zotero users' CSL requests, I will take the opportunity to remind Bruce that Zotero is fully unicode compliant and can store data for any of its fields in any language. Please feel free to continue this discussion on the dev list. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeDec 20th 2007
sean: my comment about the limitations of zotero on this count was not a mistake. Take a look at the example I posted and tell me how zotero can possibly store a) different names (in different languages) for the same contributor, and b) different titles (again, in different languages, and scripts) for the same resource.
It can't.
This is only partially off-topic, as we're talking about "styles that would be good to support". My vote is for the one I posted the link to, but was simply pointing out that Zotero won't be able to do it until the new (more relational) model is in place.
Am happy to discuss this further on the dev list, but I'm not going to bring it up there ATM. -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeDec 22nd 2007
American Chemical Society see: http://pubs.acs.org/books/references.shtml - Done
Also, Angew. Chem.: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/26737/home/2002_authors.html - call me dense, but I can't find a reference format description in there. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place!
Also done Centarus and Historical Journal. -
- CommentAuthorBluebur
- CommentTimeDec 27th 2007
The standard science format is:
Author(s). Date. Title (italics). Publisher. Place. Pages.
and
Author(s). Date. Article title. Journal title (italics). Volume (issue):page-page. -
- CommentAuthorbbouling
- CommentTimeJan 4th 2008 edited
About the American Chemical Society
it groups dozens of journals with different styles.
http://pubs.acs.org/about.html
For each journal there is an author guideline PDF file that resumes the way to deal with the style; for instance with Langmuir
http://pubs.acs.org/paragonplus/submission/langd5/langd5_authguide.pdf -
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CommentAuthorwildeny
- CommentTimeJan 9th 2008
Please also consider American Physical Society.
Reference: RevTeX 4
Two kind of styles: one for Physical Reviews journal (apsrev.bst) and the other for Reviews of Modern Physics (amsrmp.bst).
Check out this guide: Reviews of Modern Physics Style Guide -
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- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeJan 9th 2008
I was trying to find something authorative for Phys Rev stuff. Does this look correct?
http://authors.aps.org/STYLE/ms.html#footnotes
It seems most use a common style, with the B journal being slightly different. Is that correct? -
- CommentAuthorrdavis
- CommentTimeJan 10th 2008
I would love to see the AGU family of journals:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/AuthorRefSheet.pdf
and Environmental Microbiology:
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/submit.asp?ref=1462-2912&site=1 -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2008
There is an AGU style now available if you'd like to try it out. -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2008 edited
One other thing, if you need a style and wonder if one of the existing styles might be close, try the following:
Type in the URL
chrome://zotero/content/tools/cslpreview.xul
and select a zotero entry (or several) and then press Display.
It will generate a reference in all current styles for that reference so you can preview how they would look with different styles.
You can restrict the types with the checkboxes to narrow the chosen types. -
- CommentAuthornrich_n_him
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2008
I would like to see Linguistic Society of America (LSA) Style Sheet.
Thanks! -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2008
I have a request of people asking for new styles. Please follow these suggestions.
First, always, always, always include one or more links to documentation. Do not ask us to do this research for you. We're all really busy and essentially donating free labor, so you need to do your part too.
Second, following Codec's latest suggestion, tell us the existing style that your style is closest to. If it's exactly the same, then tell us that too.
This information will not only make it quicker for people like Codec to produce the styles (and so more likely that you'll see them), but also can provide valuable information for implementation of a CSL style creation wizard that some of us are talking about. -
- CommentAuthorrdavis
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2008
Thanks for the AGU style!!
Some formatting differences I noted:
1. The author's names should be italicized in the in-text citation, and "et al." should be "et al.," and also italicized.
2. All of the authors in the bibliography should be listed, rather than an "et al" after the second author.
The Environmental Microbiology Journal style that I'm hoping for is almost identical to the style used in Cell.
Thanks for making all of these styles. This project is great, and I'm telling everyone I know about Zotero!! -
- CommentAuthorSteveM
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2008
Zotero is great! What a wonderful tool for genealogists and all historians.
Please consider another style guide:
"Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace by Elizabeth Shown Mills."
Evidence Explained has two principal uses: it provides citation models for most historical sources, including original documents not covered by classic citation guides such as CMS.
More information about this book can be obtained at:
http://www.footnote.com/evidenceexplained.php
http://www.genealogical.com/products/Evidence%20Explained%20Citing%20History%20Sources%20from%20Artifacts%20to%20Cyberspace/3843.html
Thanks for developing such an incredible program. -
- CommentAuthorbbouling
- CommentTimeJan 18th 2008
About the ACS style
In the bibliography part, when using the abbreviated name of the Journal, there are two points between the journal name and the year.
One has to be removed.
All the best -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeJan 18th 2008
I'm not sure how to fix that. One of them is part of the journal suffix and one is the field suffix.
e.g., Nucl. Acids Res.. comes from the entry "Nucl. Acids Res." and a terminating "."
Nuleic Acid Research on the other had would look right
You could remove the . from the end of the entry as a work around. -
- CommentAuthorerazlogo
- CommentTimeJan 18th 2008
Codec--I think cite.js is supposed to account for that (see line 2776). It's odd that it doesn't work in this case. -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeJan 18th 2008
I wonder if its because the journal is in italics, and the suffix isn't.
Loker, W. M. Jour Pol Ecol.. 1996, 3.
is generated as
Loker, W. M. <span style="font-style: italic;">Jour Pol Ecol.</span>. <span style="font-weight: bold;">1996</span>, <span style="font-style: italic;">3</span>. -
- CommentAuthorbbouling
- CommentTimeJan 18th 2008 edited
I've just noticed in the ACS style that a word wrap happened in the biblio between each reference.
It looks like:
(1) ------
(2) ------
and it should be with a double space line in the paragraph format not a word wrap
(1) ----
(2) -----
BTW thanks for the style Codec -
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CommentAuthorRintze
- CommentTimeJan 19th 2008
The Journal of Neurosurgery, Journal of Neurosurgery: Spine, Journal of Neurosurgery: Pediatrics, and Neurosurgical Focus. These journals share one style:
http://manuscripts.thejns.org/forms/instructions_to_contributors.pdf
(another user, dudischul, requested this style in another thread). -
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- CommentAuthorbbouling
- CommentTimeJan 22nd 2008 edited
Still in the ACS style :) ... and certainly in others ...
For multiple references, sometimes it is perfect and formatted as follows:
----- (4-7)
and sometimes it is like:
---- (9,8,7,10)
I've changed the order in the multiple reference selection but it hasn't done the trick.
I hope it helps to give you some feedbacks and doesn't bother you? -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeJan 22nd 2008
I think I've fixed the first issue - tried to do the 2nd but it seems rather resistant. I'm not sure what the syntax is to force that. -
- CommentAuthordudischul
- CommentTimeJan 27th 2008
somebody, journal of neurosurgery? :( -
- CommentAuthorsean
- CommentTimeJan 27th 2008
dudischul: Scroll up. -
- CommentAuthormcitations
- CommentTimeJan 31st 2008 edited
Hi,
i desperately need this style in the footnote, that has for single, multi and in the library the following same format. Could please someone create such a style? i need it really strongly. u would be very grateful.
Authors last name, authors first name (year), Booktitel. Location: publisher.
example:
Müller, Peter (2004), Handbuch der Betriebswirtschaftslehre. Hamburg: UVK. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeJan 31st 2008
mcitations: it would help to give more information, such as name of the style, and a URL for the documentation. See above for examples. We can't read minds on details. -
- CommentAuthormcitations
- CommentTimeJan 31st 2008 edited
hi bdarcus,
sorry i don't know the name of thsi citation style. could you please create it in spite? -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeJan 31st 2008
Whoever does it has to give it a title and an id, so no, not really. Why are you needing this style after all? Is it for some journal? Some class?
Perhaps the answer to that question can help you identify the answer? -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
Neurosurgery Journal is now available in the styles. -
- CommentAuthormcitations
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
Yes, i need it for a university thesis. please help me, it's very urgent. i've tested some other tools like citavi and so on. but i like zotero the most. the only problem is the style. the style i need is very similar to the chicago one in the styles list. so perhaps you can duplicate it and modify. i just ne the style in the formatexample esepecially in the footnote. in the text, i can use this format
(Bauer, 2001, S. 44) or (vgl. Bauer, 2001, S.44) in the bibliography at the end i need the style as in the footnote. -
- CommentAuthormcitations
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008 edited
Hi, the style i need is mentionend in this famous book for science methods.
http://www.amazon.de/Wissenschaftliche-Arbeiten-Wolfram-E-Rossig/
They name it the Autor-Jahr-Style
last name, first name (year): title, location
Among the author, title style they write, these two are the most traditional and most spread styles.
and I need this style for the footnote for my thesis. -
- CommentAuthorCodec
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
You could try
- Open University Harvard Reference
- American Geophysical Union general format
- American Political Science Association
all of which are very close to what you describe.
Without a formal description it is hard to do a style. What does a book format look like, what about a journal, a chapter from a book. What happens if there is a URL, what if a DOI, what if there is an edition, and volume number etc etc. -
- CommentAuthormcitations
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
Ah, ok. I try these styles. Do they work for the footnote. thats the most important. -
- CommentAuthormcitations
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008 edited
Sorry but non of them works with the footnote and the citations in the text are always the short forms. what should i do? i use the open office plugin. the bibliopgraphy button can't insert in footnotes. i become desperate, i need it so urgent. the list is too big to insert all citations manual. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008 edited
mcitations: when is your thesis due?
The problem is you're not spending the time we need you to spend to find the information we need to help you.
As I say farther above, we all are doing this for free, and we're all busy doing our own theses, or books, or article manuscripts, so it's kind of rude to be essentially saying "I need help" but then not giving us the information we need to help you.
For example, sending us a link to an Amazon page is NOT helpful AT ALL. Do you expect that any of us have the time to track down that book and to then research the information? We don't.
You tell us it's for a thesis, but then why don't you tell us for which institution, and give us a link to the page at that institution that tells you what style to use?
Finally, you say they call it an "Autor-Jahr-Style" (author-year) style, but then say it should be rendered as a footnote. Are you SURE? Because author-year (or author-date) styles are in fact rendered in\-text. Also, that's a generic description of a class of style; not a style name. -
- CommentAuthorjayze
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
Hi
Just started using Zotero so please forgive me if I bring up stuff that has already been noted.
Firstly, there is a list of Endnote styles for specific journals at http://www.endnote.com/support/enstyles.asp. Would it be possible to import those styles into Zotero? If this is not an option (copyright or some other reason), would it be possible to create and customize a new citation style in Zotero? And then mail it in as a contribution? I figure if this could be a community effort we could all help each other.
Please let me know. Thanks -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
Firstly, there is a list of Endnote styles for specific journals at http://www.endnote.com/support/enstyles.asp. Would it be possible to import those styles into Zotero? If this is not an option (copyright or some other reason),
It's technically possible, but potentially legally problematic.
Also, there's a larger strategic issue of whether it's a good idea to encourage reliance on existing proprietary styles, or to encourage the expansion of CSL styles (which are totally open, and implementable by any project). I see a danger in the former approach myself.would it be possible to create and customize a new citation style in Zotero? And then mail it in as a contribution? I figure if this could be a community effort we could all help each other.
Yes, absolutely! This is in fact the intention behind CSL; that all styles are hosted on the internet and freely available for anyone to use. See http://www.zotero.org/styles and http://dev.zotero.org/csl_syntax_summary if you'd like to help. I (the author of the style language) consider the APA style in the dev section of the repository to be a good model of how to design styles. -
- CommentAuthordrrayl
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
Problem with Oxford Art Journal style.
This style seems to use the short title, where one exists, instead of the full book title, for the first citation of a source.
eg the first citation should be :
Ray Lambert, John Constable and the theory of landscape painting (Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, 2005).
but if I include a short title "Theory" in the Zotero info - the first citation is:
Ray Lambert, Theory (Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, 2005).
This does not seem to be the case for other note only styles. -
- CommentAuthorerazlogo
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
drrayl--please update the Oxford Art style at http://www.zotero.org/styles/ -- the problem should be fixed. -
- CommentAuthordrrayl
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
erazlogo
Thank you for the very quick response and the amendment to the style. The first citation of a source is now correct but the subsequent citations of the same source do not use the short title but the full book title.
eg
Lambert, John Constable and the theory of landscape painting, pp. 74-80
but should be:
Lambert, Theory , pp. 74-80 -
- CommentAuthorerazlogo
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
okay, please update again. -
- CommentAuthordrrayl
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
erazlogo
That's great. Thank you very much. -
- CommentAuthordrrayl
- CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
erazlogo
Similar problem with Art History Journal style.
I have just discovered that this style also uses the short title in the first citation of a source. -
- CommentAuthorerazlogo
- CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
Art History J is fixed -
- CommentAuthormcitations
- CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
@bdarcus:
i have only 10 days than is my thesis due. i am willing to spend the time, but the thesis is very urgent and timekilling. the problem is there is no link at this institution i could give you to check it. the profs gave us the styles, they're not written down in any linkable doc.
Right, it's a (author-year) style and i need it in the footnote. isn't it possible to take it quickly from another style? and then just turn on the option in the footnote? Please i need it. if i would know how to make those style i would do it on my own. but the thesis takes my time.