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    • CommentAuthordsr20901
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2008
     
    I have used Citation for 15 years. The latest version (v. 9) was released in 2006 and there has been no support or updates available since. I would like to migrate my large Citation database to Zotero but have not yet been successful in getting a clean import/export. It would be great for Zotero to provide a direct import option from Citation for all of us who want to ditch Citation.
    • CommentAuthorpileser1
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
     
    I would add my request to this. I started to research a large book about three years ago and have thousands of entries in Citation 9. My attempts to import them into Zotero -- by whatever means -- have all failed. I have several doctoral students with the same problem. Is there any hope of a solution?
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    What happens when you try to import a RIS file exported from Citation?
    • CommentAuthordsr20901
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
     
    Citation exports a bad RIS file: No ER- tags and there's just too much junk created from notes, tags, etc.
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    And I don't suppose the Refer output is any better?
    • CommentAuthordsr20901
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
     
    Refer output creates a file that stalls the Zotero import and generates an error messge. After I clear the error message I'm left with a slew of bad entries that I must delete before restoring my Zotero database.
    • CommentAuthornoksagt
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
     
    Also see this thread:
    http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/1194

    Can you make a custom export for Citation that gets RIS right? (Post-processing is probably possible (certainly easy enough to add ER where needed), but I don't know what some of the extensions to RIS that they've added do.)


    In that thread, they used the Endnote format with apparently reasonable results & you might try the same.
    • CommentAuthordsr20901
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2008
     
    No luck with anything produced by Citation exports. The closest I've come to getting anything useful from Citation to Zotero is downloading an Endnote eval version, importing the Citation file and exporting it to RIS for import into Zotero. It's a messy import with lots of work needed with the individual records so until/if Zotero develops a Citation import filter, I guess I'm stuck.
    • CommentAuthornoksagt
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2009
     
    Try the 'refer-en.cf' format.
    • CommentAuthorMBD
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2009
     
    Add me too. I have been using Citation for a decade and have v. 9x. I have thousands of items in my Citation data files. However, Citations dependence on ASCII is a major obstacle to my use (Middle Eastern Languages). I cannot enter a Czech author, a Hebrew title, etc. I have talked with tech support for Citation and they have no plans for moving to Unicode. So now I have just downloaded Zotero which sounds good. Now I see problems in converting my data base. BTW, could I use Zotero offline or must it always have internet connection?
    • CommentAuthornoksagt
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2009
     
    Now I see problems in converting my data base.
    Have you used the refer-en.cf export from citavi? If so, please expand as to what problems you are having.
    BTW, could I use Zotero offline or must it always have internet connection?
    You may use it with no internet connection.
    • CommentAuthorRCB
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2009 edited
     
    I'm not following the instructions by noksagt. Are you suggesting that we convert the Citation 9 file to a citavi file?

    I'm generally confused by Citation 9. How do you export anything from Citation 9? I can see how to convert files into Citation, but not out of.
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2009
     
    I think citavi is a typo - it's meant to read citation.
    He suggests exporting to a refer-en.cf file from Citation.
    Can't help you on the export, sorry.
    • CommentAuthorRCB
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2009
     
    I saved the Citation file as a refer-en.cf file. Then when I try to import, Zotero tries to download the file (dialog box for open with vs save, then download manager pops up). Then the progress bar hums along forever, never finishing.

    Any help?
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2009
     
    what's forever? If this is a large database, it could well take zotero an hour or so to import.
    • CommentAuthornoksagt
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2009
     
    dialog box for open with vs save, then download manager pops up
    If this happens, it will never import. Confirm your references are in the refer format. If they are not, paste the first few lines of the file here.

    If they are, you can try to convert the character encoding of the file or copy the contents to the clipboard & use Zotero 2's import from clipboard feature.
    • CommentAuthorRCB
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2009
     
    I got them into the format you suggest, noksagt. I opened the file in Notepad and that's just what it looks like.

    What exactly do you mean by "covert the character encoding"? I'm also not clear on how to get the "import from clipboard".

    Thanks for your help.

    @Adam Smith: How big is "big"? I have about 1300 entries (biblio & notes).

    Thanks.
    • CommentAuthorRCB
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2009
     
    Ok, I got the file to convert--messy as it is. (It was saved as a .cit file before, so I just changed the extension to .txt. Is there a better extension that might help?)

    Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix the messiness? For example
    1) all of my notes are separated from their original works

    2) all of my tags are gone

    Thanks for all the help so far. I'm getting there!
    • CommentAuthornoksagt
    • CommentTimeSep 24th 2009
     
    Are the notes and/or tags present in the exported Refer-formatted file?

    If so, how do they appear in that file?

    If not, the first thing you would have to do would be to modify the exporter for Citation (and would have to refer to their support for how to do that).
    • CommentAuthorRCB
    • CommentTimeOct 28th 2009
     
    I'm sorry it's been a while.

    I tried what was suggested:
    1. I exported my .cit file to a file in refer-en.cf format. (I couldn't figure out how to import into Zotero via clipboard.)
    2. I opened the file in Notepad and saved as a .txt.
    3. I imported the .txt file into Zotero.

    More or less, things worked. However I am trying to work out the major kinks.
    1. My notes are now disassociated from the citation of the work. The notes are in Zotero. They're just totally separate entries.
    2. My "series name" field comes up blank in Zotero.
    3. My tags are often in a list for a given entry, separated by semicolons. In Zotero, each series of tags is considered a single tag. So rather than "x; y; z" being three tags (x & y & z), it's considered a single tag, "x; y; z".

    Any suggestions? What questions am I not addressing?

    Thanks!
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2009
     
    I would encourage you to take a look at the .txt file to see how things are being mapped and then take a look at the source code of the Refer translator in Zotero (You can see it in your local copy of ReferBibIX.js or browse it online at https://www.zotero.org/trac/browser/extension/trunk/translators/ReferBibIX.js

    The actual translator code is accessible enough to give you a good idea of what codes in the .txt file are being translated into what fields and item types in Zotero.

    If you find anything that should be revised in the Refer translator please report on it to the forums so that we can fix it globally.
    • CommentAuthorRCB
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2009
     
    So now I can see that my problem is with the Citation exporter. No matter what format I use (refer-en, refer, endnote, ris), I end up with big problems with info in the wrong categories and such.

    I looked at the custom format converter, and I don't understand the system, so I can't fix it. I'm not expecting much from Citation support.

    Any suggestions?

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