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Troubleshooting: Multiple citation with same author

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    • CommentAuthorarggem
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2008
     
    When I make a multiple citation of the same author, but different works, only the page number for the first entry appears, but at the end.

    I checked this out in 2 different documents with different authors.

    I can edit the citation, put the page numbers in manually, and it works (it even survives a Refresh.

    FF 3.0.1
    Zotero 1.0.7
    XP
    Word 2003 plugin
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2008
     
    Could you post which style you are having trouble with as well as a example of what the citations should look like for that style and what actually look like?
    • CommentAuthorarggem
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2008
     
    Ooops...I knew I forgot something.

    I'm using APA, also, I'm using the set bibliography language to Spanish.

    The citation should be (Smith, 2006, pág. 1; Smith, 2005, pág. 2; Smith, 2004, pág. 3), but it ends up:
    (Smith, 2006; Smith, 2005, Smith, 2004, pág. 1)
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2008
     
    I think there is a problem here, but before I create a ticket I want to make sure we have it properly diagnosed.

    (Smith, 2006; Smith, 2005, Smith, 2004, pág. 1) is clearly wrong. Right now the plugin is not displaying page numbers for the other two books.

    However, I am not sure that (Smith, 2006, pág. 1; Smith, 2005, pág. 2; Smith, 2004, pág. 3) is right either.

    If these are all the same Smith shouldn't it be. (Smith, 2006, pág. 1; 2005, pág. 2; 2004, pág. 3)?

    Can some APA folks confirm what exactly this should look like?
    • CommentAuthorarggem
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2008
     
    OK, I've got to stop posting when I'm on the road. I've been traveling for 3 weeks now, and making hurried posts. I apologize.

    So, to correct my post from yesterday, the citation is coming out as (Smith, 2006, 2005, 2004, pág. 1).

    I won't venture to say what it should be, except to say, I'd like the page numbers to be included.

    And just to confirm...yes they are all the SAME Smith (John Q. Smith).

    Thanks for your patience.

    There, I think that's right.

    Sorry for the confusion.
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2008
     
    • CommentAuthormarqui
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2008
     
    This is not related to your question, but as it is established in the "Manual de estilo de publicaciones de la American Psychological Association", the "official" Spanish translation of the APA style, the citation should be (Smith, 2006, p. 1) and not (Smith, 2006, pág. 1). This rule also applied to the references list: p. or pp. instead of pág. or págs.

    http://books.apa.org/books.cfm?id=4200065
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    Does the official Spanish APA style actually differ from the English one in any way, including with regard to localized terms? Do other non-English versions?

    If they're all identical, one option would be to just hard-code those strings. The other option would be for users to just switch the bibliography locale to English (which will eventually be made easier in the UI and possibly be a document setting), which would only be useful if someone wanted, for example, a style similar to APA but with localized terms.
    • CommentAuthorarggem
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2008
     
    @marqui!

    Wow, thanks!

    Now, who do we contact to change the Spanish version?
    • CommentAuthormarqui
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2008
     
    @Dan Stillman

    Aside from particular words, like "En" instead of "In" or "trad." instead of "trans." for translator, there aren't any differences between the Spanish and English versions. I think the first option is a good one (hard-code the pagination string, for example). In this way we can use the Spanish locale without having to change those words. Thanks!!!!
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    OK, thanks. The problem with hard-coding a global style, if some terms are indeed localized, is that it seems unlikely that "p." and "pp." are universal, assuming APA is used in other languages. For example, is there any German use of APA, and, if so, does it use "S." instead of "p."?
    • CommentAuthorarggem
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008 edited
     
    I've discovered another problem when citing the same author multiple times in one citation: When the first occurrence has no date (and the date field is blank), NONE of the dates show up.

    Example:

    What should be (Yoder, n.d., 1908, 1916, 1930) shows up as (Yoder). The bibliography is OK.

    If I put n.d. in the date field, it shows up as (Yoder, , 1908, 1916, 1930). (I just discovered this as I was writing this post and checking different permutations. I can live with this for the time being since I can edit the entry and put in n.d.).

    The page numbering issue from the original post is still there.

    How is this ticket coming? https://www.zotero.org/trac/ticket/1154 can it be amended with this new anomaly?

    I'm in crunch time right now with two monographs due in a few days. It would be nice to have this working soon.

    Edit:
    FF 3.0.4
    Word plugin 1.0b3
    Zotero 1.0.7.r3709 (Can't wait till 1.5 is stable enough to use with real data!)

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