Hello
i've starded a style generator yesterday. It's not yet finish but it works. I think i could make a first version for next week.
In the end it won't made a perfect style because it will be only possible cite one element:
article or book or chapter etc...

EDIT: change url to new version

if you want test and comment you can found it there

excuse my english

Hi
Ok i'll look.

EDIT: link to the new version
I've update the page

-numbered citation works
-authors like citation works but all options are not yet avaible

I hope there is not a lot of error

Hi

Thanks for your comment.
You are right this version don't use macro and it's the first problem. I've made it to better understand the work to do and have a quickly working script.
To use macro and have multiple style i must change all the presentation: there so mutch options!
I'm currently working in a new version witch 'll able to use macro.

Using zotero test panel is a good idea but i can't work on it now .
I hope having a style auto installation too.

I think this is the wrong direction. This needs to be a web application, so previewing needs to happen independent of Zotero.

I presume (please correct if wrong!) this is because you're thinking here of creating generic CSL files, which are of course independent of Zotero. I do think there is real value in that as far as promoting citation standards. But I'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier and in some ways nicer to have a Citation Style Editor as part of Zotero (or at least that closely integrates with it) that can create and modify CSLs with attention to how Zotero manages bibliographic data, as what we (or any reference manager) can spit out is only as good as how it's schematized in the first place. I'm particularly interested in the case of how users handle exceptions to the generic formatting rules that CSL provides. Is it a good idea to allow them to edit their local CSL files (and perhaps share them if generally useful) to handle cases that a base CSL file had wrong or did not accommodate--while using their own bibliographic data as test cases?

Apologies if my post exudes undue ignorance--i'm still trying to get my head around some of these fascinating issues.

A new version available here you can now manage exceptions for you bibliography

Yes i'll try test that asap

I'm most likely missing something obvious here as I've only played around with the new version a bit but how do you get it to put an "and" or "&" between two authors in a simple author-date citation e.g. (Adorno and Horkheimer 1997) all I can get it to do at the mo. is (Adorno Horkheimer 1997).
Thanks for all your work.

bdarcus, sorry , should have been clearer that I was after altering the way the intext citation works, rather than the bibliography. Your suggestion gives me an "and" or "&" in the bibliography, but not the intext citation, which is what I was after.

It would nice to be able to change an already made style. Say I want to add an exception later on cause I figured out that I had "Book chapter" in my reference list and I didn't include an exception for that when I made the style.

This is just hypothetically

Is it possible to sorting order of in-text citations.

I want to decide if it should sort by author or by year (ascending/descending)


Johan

I'm having trouble setting & as "Delimiter between authors". When I do that I get

XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
Location: file:///D:/test-7-06-06-07-08.csl

Line Number 81, Column 21:
--------------------^

Two problems here. First, you're not using the right field for this; you should use the "and" pop-up select.

Second, Max needs to deal with creating and validating the CSL files using proper XML libraries. The character "&" is invalid XML, and needs to be escaped. XML libraries will do this automatically.

Furthermore, I wonder how to get the Initial after the Last name instead in front of in the bibliography

I can only get J Asplund and not Asplund, J

In CSL, initialization is independent of name order. This appear configurable in the bib section under "authors settings"). As I say above, this all needs to be generalized so that it can be configured also in the citation.

I am also having trouble with the et al in citation. I've set it to minimum 3 author but it doesn't work no matter how many authors I have per reference. If this would work where do I change et al to italics?

You need both the first two options in that section (including the "use ..." and "minimum ...").

Hello thanks for all your feedback. I apologize i am very busy this week so i have hold development.

I test to add "and" in citation, i make a "how to" but it take a while.

"Second, Max needs to deal with creating and validating the CSL files using proper XML"

Yes i work on it , for next version.

Asplundj : To activate "et al" you need set the two fields. If it don't work there is a problem i will search

I find what's wrong with the et al thing now

it only adds

option name="et-al-subsequent-min" value="3"/>
option name="et-al-subsequent-use-first" value="1"/>

not

option name="et-al-min" value="3"/>
option name="et-al-use-first" value="1"/>

meaning that it will not work on the first citation but only subsequent of the same author.

But if you want different et-al options in citation and bibliography?

as it is now citation-options are added if I add options for bibliography these are hardly ever the same


Johan

big step forward with this approach. However it would be nice to somehow integrate a wysiwg-line. Maybe via a basic dummy reference where after selecting the style parameters you get the style entry before confirming for creation?

Yes, that's correct. There are essentially two independent contexts (citation and bibliography) and two different conditions (first and subsequent) in which et-al can be configured.

it's ok the script update

so if you want manage number of authors in citation you must:
-in citation part
* set the "Minimum authors to activate et-al in citation"
witch active et al
* set the "How many authors include before et-al in citation" witch determine how many authors must appear in citation


-in bibliography you set
* Minimum authors to activate et-al
* How many authors include before et-a to set how many authors in bibliography

but the bibliography part must be set to activate the citation part

I just spent an hour working on a style I needed. Thanks so much for doing this.

1. I use articles, web sites, books, book chapters, blog posts, etc. Can you make it so that I can write a really long one?

2. I need a field for book title in addition to chapter title. Zotero has gazillions of fields. Can you write code that will allow me to pick up any that I need?

3.The citation style I was using is different for periodicals in which every issue starts with page 1 and those for which every volume starts with page 1. So I think there are more levels of exceptions to deal with. Is that too big a challenge?

Thanks so much!

lemaxx yes but what I want in the generator is a way to set different values for the citation part and the bibliography part

Johan

Asplundj you can: (i hope i understand that you need)
for example in citation you want 1 author and in bibliography you want 3


in the citation part of the generator you configure et-al citation with:

Minimum authors to activate et-al in citation :2 (for example in this case you want only 1 author)
How many authors include before et-al in citation: 1

in the bibliography part of the generator you configure et-al with:

Minimum authors to activate et-al :4 (for example)
How many authors include before et-al : 3

I hope i'm clear.

Greg
The preview is now too complex and need a lot of time.
For the exception i'm agree and i work on it.
For the existing styles in first step the user will have in next version to choose between 6 generic models

Yes it's normal and the style will work fine
if you look for example the "American Political Science Association" style the option name="et-al-min" value is like the style generator.

When you use the generator does the style made is working?

@lemaxx

thanks for this great tool.

It took me a while finding it (the link on the zotero page still takes you to the previous version). I have spend some hours now trying to get the style I need (Journal of Consumer Research).

I have encountered the following problems:

1. the delimeter between author and date: apparently, you cannot insert a space in here. The result is that author and date look like this: author2008.

2. In the bibliography, I have a similar problem to the above: the first author needs to be put in the form (last name, first name), the space after the "," however does not appear. The same happens for a list of authors. I am not sure if I have overseen something here since nobody else seems to have encountered the same problem.

3. In the page numbering, I need to skip the first numbers if they are the same: not 124-127, but 124-7. How can I do this if possible?

4. The Journal of Consumer Research requires authors to use the et-al function not with the first time a group of authors is mentioned but starting with the second time. Is there any way to configure this in the code?

5. The generator seems to support only up to two exceptions: e.g. books and websites. Is it possible to enter more than two?

Thanks a lot in advance for any help or solution that anyone might be able to provide for these problems.

For ISBN value i've test it and it work but i must take time to modify the script so ASAP

J2008
for the delimiter could you give me the name of your style on the generator and if possible the date ?. I want analyses it before

For the page numbering i don't now if it's possible with csl but the generator don(t do that
Yes in this version only 2 exceptions . I'll change a lot of things in the future (only few in UI) but for this version it's too much work adding more exception sorry. You can add them manually look in zotero documentation.


asplundj

I'm sorry i don't understand with the last update you can manage different value for citation and bibliography.
In my tests when "option name="et-al-min" " is the same for both there is no problems to have for example 1 author in citation and 6 in bibliography.

Is v1.0 the latest update? cause I can still not manage to get "et-al-min" right.

I would be happy if you could make a csl where you in "citation options" set
Minimum authors to activate et-al in citation: 3
How many authors include before et-al in citation: 1

and in the bibliography part set
Minimum authors to activate et-al: 15
How many authors include before et-al:15

What do you get then?

for me subsequent citations gets the right configuration but first citation get "et-al-min" from the bibliography setting and "et-al-use-first" from the citation setting

****************************************************************************************************
* Jon Rubin
* CommentTimeJun 3rd 2008
I'm most likely missing something obvious here as I've only played around with the new version a bit but how do you get it to put an "and" or "&" between two authors in a simple author-date citation e.g. (Adorno and Horkheimer 1997) all I can get it to do at the mo. is (Adorno Horkheimer 1997).
*****************************************************************************************************
I was wondering whether there was a solution to the problem asked by Jon Rubin on the post Jun 3rd 2008? I have the same issue and I cannot seem to have found an answer. How do you place the "&" between two authors in the in-text citation? At the moment my style show (Author1 Author2, 2008) instead of (Author1 & Author2, 2008)
Thanks for your help.