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    • CommentAuthorOokimi
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2008
     
    thank you so much for your work! I do need a style generator badly...
    I tried to create a style, and it wouold install and cooperate in OpenWriter. But I need the long dash "—" as a delimiter, and that wouldn't work. Writer shows the Unicode code for this symbol instead. Any ideas?
    I also have a feature request. Could you please add the option of adding the cited page number to the citation? I actually need something like this: [Lacoff: 1999, p.14] or like this [12, p. 14]. Thanks in advance!
    • CommentAuthorA_Hartmann
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    thank you for your tool. It is absolutely essential to have a reliable tool for the development and modification of styles.

    Modifying an existing style might be much more efficient than writing a new one.
    Sometimes Journals differ only in bolding or underscoring parts of references in the list. So it would be nice to copy a (close enough) style and to modify it accordingly.

    Would it be possible to modify your tool, allowing for "guided" style editing? If not: Can anybody give a short "how to - easily modify an existing style"?
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    That tool is very great! I'd like to have a copy of my middle column, which is not possible. So I got the advice to try it with your Style Generator. Unfortunatly I need the call number in there and as far as I can see there is no option to do so. Is there any possibility to add that? I know a call number is rather unusual in a citation but that would give the option to have the library in a column like output for a print version.
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2008
     
    Zotero callNumber is mapped to CSL call-number--If you want you can manually add that field to the CSL file the Style Generator created. You should be able to manually edit the file with any text editor.
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    Hey Tjowens,

    thank you very much for your help, but up to know I cant make it run. For some reason FF doesnt exept my editor files as cls any more... It seems I have to get involved in it a littel more. Maybe I'm lucky next time.
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2008
     
    Once you have edited a file you need to make sure it has the .csl extension. You can then drag it into an open browser window to add it to your list of styles. For more info on working with these do a search for csledit in the Zotero forums.
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    I like the idea of the generator.. need to play with it a little but it would be great if at the bottom of the web page it provided an "example" of the style as it is built so that one can see the results of ones sections.
    A sort of WYSIWYG thing ..

    Also, although I have only played for a minute or two, never quite worked out how generate the different citation styles needed for the different options..

    ala a Generic overarching style name... alal "NZSM Musicology" with say sub styles within ala cite a Book, Book in a Series, Journal, Web Site, recording, Book Review, etc.

    That said I did only play for a few minutes so need to go back and play a lot more
    Seemed to me only the individual styles could be generated which would then need to be compiled into a set.
    • CommentAuthorbarton
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2008
     
    The style generator has worked really well, but for some reason when I open the .csl file, Zotero does not recognise it.

    Is there some basic guide to this process for those (such as myself) who aren't familiar with .csl or even xml?

    I get as far as loading the new style in firefox, but then get an error message saying "This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it".

    What should be my next step?
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      CommentAuthorRintze
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2008
     
    There is some documentation available here:

    http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/creating_citation_styles

    You should probably check whether the generated style consists of proper XML and whether it conforms to the CSL schema.
    • CommentAuthorbarton
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2008
     
    Hi Rintze -

    Thanks for the response. I'd read through that already, and it seems to indicate that just by opening the file, Zotero will incorporate it locally.

    My generated style works well in the reference test pane, creating exactly what I want.

    The trouble is getting my local version of zotero to recognise the file after I've opened it in FF. Is it then supposed to show as a style option in word plugin?

    I'm using version 1.07, but not the 1.5 sync preview option - does this have to be in place?

    I can paste the first part of the csl file here if it helps.

    I really need to get this going - otherwise it means exporting to Endnote simply because it can be configured; I don't want to do that!
    • CommentAuthorbarton
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2008 edited
     
    OK. Having just written all of that, I tried saving the csl file locally, then re-opening it, which THEN saved it to zotero. I guess just opening it directly from the generator is not enough (i.e. opening the file in a new tab).

    Thanks.
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    I have just begun to use the style generator (http://www.somwhere.org/csl/) since I couldn't find a citation/bibliography style that approximates that in the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference template (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2009/lpsc2009.templates.html). I am experiencing difficulties with several unanswered queries in this forum:
    (1) What is the option in the style generator to specify the order within an author's name? E..g, (first, last) versus (last, first)
    (2) How can the carriage return between consecutive bibliographic entries be replaced with a space?

    I would like to resolve this at least a few days before the 08 Jan 2009 abstract submission deadline. Alternatively, if some one is aware of a *.csl file for LPSC abstracts, please let me know.
    Suniti (Suniti Karunatillake)
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    I am also unable to add more than two exceptions to the bibliography style. However, I need to add exceptions for several source types: book, chapter, thesis, paper conference, entry encyclopedia, manuscript, etc. Is there an option somewhere that allows three or more exception entries?
    Thanks.

    Suniti
    • CommentAuthorcmbarton
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009
     
    I tried this out for the American Antiquity style. It is a very useful site with a lot of potential. Thanks for working on this.

    I guess I don't quite understand the formatting. I wanted a hanging indent with a line feed between the last author and the date. But the date ended up on the same line as the author. As with others above, I need more fields in the style and more exceptions than just two.

    Also, it sure would be nice to read in a style and then edit it--though I understand that this would add another layer of complexity to the tool.
    • CommentAuthorswifters
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2009
     
    Nice work! However, I tried to create a Journal of Food Science style and found some problems.

    The et al. option does not seem to work no matter what numbers I set. In addition, could you please add options that what words would be "et al."? For example, JFS uses "and others", but not et al.

    I also still haven't figured out how to put the first name initial after last name in bibliography. I want Smith J rather than J Smith.

    Like other comments already said, I would like to have instant-result and also settings for books and web pages.

    Really good start though. Thank you very much.
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    First, I would like to thank the author of the style generator for his valuable contribution.

    I have however a small request which seems to be similar to other users. I need to be able to sort the author first and last names as Doe J rather than J Doe.
    Since I am here, is it possible to include dots or commas as well, such J. Doe, Doe J., J., Doe or Doe, J.

    Best Regards, Ben
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      CommentAuthorRintze
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2009
     
    I would like to point lemaxx to this thread: http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/5961/

    It seems that the generator does not always generate styles that validate to the CSL schema.
    • CommentAuthordnh
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2009
     
    Hi everyone,

    I guess it is not easy to implement, but it would be a tremendous help if there was a GUI to change - not create - existing styles. Often, I only have to change a few things, and it would save me a lot of time if there was a straight forward "style changer" - and my colleagues could finally be convinced to use Zotero, a lacking GUI to change styles is their main (and often single) reason not to use Zotero...

    And everyone out there writing in political or communication sciences - please upload your styles to the repository! ;-)

    dnh
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2009
     
    I guess it is not easy to implement, but it would be a tremendous help if there was a GUI to change - not create - existing styles. Often, I only have to change a few things, and it would save me a lot of time if there was a straight forward "style changer" - and my colleagues could finally be convinced to use Zotero, a lacking GUI to change styles is their main (and often single) reason not to use Zotero...

    I've been saying forever that what we need is an online style creation wizard. This would effectively do what you want, which is to select from some default options, and then specify what's different about your style. Your style would then be instantly available to you and everyone else for activation. A skeleton of a demo is here.

    Alas, while I can help with this, I cannot do it alone.
    • CommentAuthorFlo
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2009
     
    Hello,
    I don't know if that can help, but Bibus has got a very good style generator (except I can't use Bibus because I need a Chicago style for citation). Of course I'm not sure how Zotero and Bibus could work together...
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    Hey there,
    I have a question: i was searching for a style with an "alphabet-number system", i mean numbers in the text like the vancouver system, but classified by alphabetical name of authors in the bibliography.

    Like this:
    "This could be written by Carol (3) in adam's book (1).
    Bibliography
    1. Adam
    2.Bottom
    3.Carol"

    Alas, it seems to me that every style with numbers in the text, results in a bibliography classified by order of appearance...
    Like this:
    "This could be written by Carol (1) in adam's book (2).
    Bibliography
    1. Carol
    2.Adam
    3.Bottom"

    Is it possible to do something like my first example in zotero? Is it possible with your generator?

    Thanx for your help...
    Phil
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2009
     
    hey - yes, it's possible.
    The style generator is all but defunct.
    Just take a style you like and add
    <sort>
    <key variable="author"/>
    <key variable="issued"/>
    </sort>
    in the bibliography section, right before layout.
    • CommentAuthorfbennett
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2009
     
    It should be possible to do this, by setting the bibliography to sort by author names and titles. It might look a little odd in the text, though -- when the reader encounters the first citation, say, "Water is wet. [213]", he might not grasp at first that [213] is a cite, or might get the impression that the document is a fragment from a larger work.
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    Thanks adamsmith, i will try eventhough i don't know a lot about csl.
    I will put the line you told me before <layout>
    but question 1. do i erase/replace this:
    <sort>
    <key variable="citation-number"/>
    </sort>
    or do i let it stay in the code and add the lines you told me?

    question 2, where are the styles (the files .txt or .csl?) in my computer?
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 11th 2009
     
    replace it.
    http://www.zotero.org/support/csl_simple_edits
    has great and easy to follow instructions for small edit such as this one.
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    I've replaced the lines in the vancouver style but it doesn't work: it's still classified by order of appearance...
    Any solution?
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2009
     
    sorry, I didn't look at the style before answering your last question - you've changed the citation section, not the bibliography section.
    put the "citation number" thing back in where it was and then add the lines I gave you further down in the bibliography section
    so that you have

    <bibliography>
    <option name="et-al-min" value="7"/>
    <option name="et-al-use-first" value="6"/>
    <option name="second-field-align" value="true"/>
    <sort>
    <key variable="author"/>
    <key variable="issued"/>
    </sort>
    <layout>

    I tried this out and put the style up for you, you can go here:
    http://gist.github.com/186118
    and download it using the Raw link at the top right.
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    Ok, just a last thing: i made it work accidentally without this advice: what i've done was:
    <citation>
    <option name="collapse" value="citation-number"/>

    -[i've erased the "citation number" thing but didn't replace it!]

    <layout prefix="(" suffix=")" delimiter="; ">
    <text variable="citation-number"/>
    </layout>
    </citation>
    -
    <bibliography>
    <option name="et-al-min" value="7"/>
    <option name="et-al-use-first" value="6"/>
    <option name="second-field-align" value="true"/>

    -[then i've put the lines you told me]
    <sort>
    <key variable="author"/>
    <key variable="issued"/>
    </sort>
    -
    <layout> etc.

    So i did what you told in the last message except that i didn't put back the "citation number thing", it seems to work. I hope it won't be a problem!!
    I thank you very much!
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2009
     
    what the citation number thing does is to order the citations in multiple citations in the text. With what you get you'll get them in the order you put them (e.g. 2,3,1 or 3,1,2). With the line this will be (1-3).
    But the style will work either way.
    • CommentAuthorcbranham
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2010
     
    Can you add more exception to your program? I need more then 2 exceptions. Thank you.

    More details about my problem at:
    http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/10500/help-making-additions-to-american-chemical-society-style/#Item_1
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2010
     
    I would council strongly against using the style generator at this time - it is afaik not maintained and produces buggy csl code that's harder to troubleshoot than it would be to write new one.
    • CommentAuthorajlyon
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010 edited
     
    Can anyone say if this: http://bitbucket.org/csledit/csl-wysiwyg-editor/ is live somewhere? Since it has Mendeley backing it and Bruce at least somewhat involved, I imagine that it could be good. I'd like to try it out, and it'd be good to encourage people to switch from the 10-times-deprecated style generator that spawned this thread.
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      CommentAuthorRintze
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    http://csleditor.quist.de/

    I don't think it's meant for public consumption yet, though.
    • CommentAuthoradamsmith
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2010
     
    it also doesn't work yet - right now this is mainly a front-end.

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