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- CommentAuthorDaniOrama
- CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
Hello everyone, I tried to add multiple bibliographies (in different book sections) with OpenOffice but it doesn't seem to work... anyone tried it?
I know that's not so big problem, because I could divide a book into different .odt files, and later merge them. The bibliographies and citations don't change until I refresh, but my editor would have nightmares if something changes at the end...
Multiple bibliographies is really useful in technical books for universities so I think it could be a nice feature if there is no solution yet.
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- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
I agree this would be a nice feature, but I'm not sure exactly how one would do it from a UI and programming standpoint. Say you have inserted multiple bibliographies, for example. How would the macro code know what citation apply to what bibliographies?
I'd almost want to say that if you have different chapters, each should have its own file and associated bibliography, but be assembled together via master documents. If one wanted only a single bibliography for the entire book, then it should be inserted in the master document perhaps.
WRT to:I know that's not so big problem, because I could divide a book into different .odt files, and later merge them. The bibliographies and citations don't change until I refresh, but my editor would have nightmares if something changes at the end...
... this I'm not following. How is what you propose any worse than what I propose? More importantly, why is it a problem to have mutiple files? -
- CommentAuthorDaniOrama
- CommentTimeDec 6th 2007
Hello bdarcus, it's not worse, it's the same :D
The problem about multiple files seems a small one, until you are working with 3-5 books at the same time, you edit the books with different people, or as usual when something goes "wrong" merging.
Changing just a bibliography would destroy the whole work, and when you have multiple revisions and files it's a nightmare to change that.
Also having a whole file help getting a "real" view about the "whole" book, and that's really important to create a nice structured and balanced one. There are so many examples in scientist world about good researchers but poor writers with a "poorer" sense of structure.
A solution could be associate bibliographies to sections, as the page numbers. If it's easy to program or not, I really don't know... -
- CommentAuthorsybille
- CommentTimeDec 6th 2007
A solution could be associate bibliographies to sections, as the page numbers. If it's easy to program or not, I really don't know...
Instead of sections, it would make more sense to associate the bibliographies to sub documents in a master document.
For more information about using master documents in OOo, you can check out Chapter 13 of the OOoAuthors' Writer Guide: http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html -
- CommentAuthorThomas W.
- CommentTime6 days ago
There is at least one more reason for multiple bibliographies. In technical and environmental reports and expertises it's a growing common practice to mark the different "qualities" of the used sources. This are e.g.:
+ laws, specifications, book, journals and maps are public available
+ reports, expertises, posts, emails and fax owned by the investor or the consulting engineers and are revisable but not public available because they may contain business secrets
+ not revisable sources as telephone calls, interviews, personal observations
The labeling is done either by splitting the bibliography in several parts with different caption but serial numbering or by the use of different marks e.g. A1, A2, ... for specifications and journals, B1, B2, ... for reports and posts and C1, C2, ... for telephone calls and interviews. -
- CommentAuthorhs
- CommentTime1 day ago
Let me pitch in too. I am not familiar with Zotero development neither with its source so forgive me if I lack details below.
Having multiple bibliographies is not a rare situation. It is quite common to find situation as the OP described here. It is also common to see two sections listing some references. One is usually called References with list of citations in the text, and the other is Bibliography, with a list of recommended reading but not cited in the text.
In any case, having a multiple bibliography feature is, IMHO, a must for any bib. manager which is expected to be powerful.
Perhaps latex's Natbib can be studied to see how to implement it. In that, we just create as many bibliographies as we want. Each bibliography is accompanied with its own unique cite command (e.g. \cite is for regular references, \BibCite can be for another bibliography, etc.). This way the actual cite command used tells the bibliography where a citation belongs in the document.
Perhaps we can have something similar in Zotero. Something like, for each document:
1. have a default bibliography, perhaps named Bibliography.
2. have an option of creating new bibliographyies within that doc.
3. Each new bibliography is given a unique name, e.g. BibChap1, BibChap2, etc.
4. Each bibliography is accompanied with a cite command for itself.
5. While citing, a user picks a bibliography item and also must choose the bibliography in which that citation belongs.
6. When the lists of bibliographies are created, creation of each list involves specifying which bibliography is to be created (BibChap1 or BibChap2 or any other).
This way, one can create BibChap1, Bibchap2 and others along with the default bib where ever one wants in the document.
->HS -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTime1 day ago
@HS: that's probably reasonable (and simple to extend for other, more complex, cases, such as multiple sub-bibliographies). The one quibble I would have is with this:4. Each bibliography is accompanied with a cite command for itself.
There's no point at all in blindly copying natbib here; rather than have separate commands, you just have an optional parameter. -
- CommentAuthorhs
- CommentTime1 day ago
Hi bdarcus,
I understand what you mean about having a cite command for each biblio. Yes, a variable should also work. All that is needed is to identify which bibliography a particular citation belongs.
I do not know how XML works, but using a unique command for each biblio. might be unnecessary hard work and a variable, as you suggested, might be more sensible to work with.
Regards.
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