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- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
I've got a question for the legal people. I'm working on an RDF ontology for bibliographic sources that I hope to be used in Zotero. I'm stuck on modeling legal sources though.
My impulse is to say that there are two base classes of interest: Document and Case. One does not ever cite a case per se; rather, one cites documents (decisions, dissenting opinions, briefs, etc.) related to a case.
So if I'm right about that, what should we call that relation? We need something more specific than "related" of course. It might be so specific as "case", or could be (and might be better as) something of medium generality. I can't come up with a good one: isPartOf and comments, for exampl, both seem off.
Any input would be appreciated. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeAug 16th 2007
Quick followup idea: we could also treat decision, dissenting opinion, etc. as relations. -
- CommentAuthorbill
- CommentTimeAug 21st 2007
Yep, "case" is probably not a good term to use generally speaking. A "case" may have several "decisions" rendered by various courts during it's life.
I wouldn't distinguish "dissenting opinion" either since it is normally part of the "decision" and is not a separate document really. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeAug 21st 2007
Yep, "case" is probably not a good term to use generally speaking. A "case" may have several "decisions" rendered by various courts during it's life.
OK, but so how should we model this? What are the conceptual objects, and what are the relations between them?I wouldn't distinguish "dissenting opinion" either since it is normally part of the "decision" and is not a separate document really.
But what If I in fact want to cite a particular dissenting opinion; say this one by Scalia? I'm not a legal professional; just a scholar who sometimes uses legal texts. -
- CommentAuthorbill
- CommentTimeAug 22nd 2007 edited
Sorry, I probably won't be much help with RDF ontologies or conceptual objects. I do think the second paragraph of your first post is absolutely right though.
Please ignore the Cornell LII multi-document approach to decisions - I'm not really sure why they do that. The official reporter concatenates them into one document. A lawyer would cite the Scalia dissent using a jumpcite ie: Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 582 (2003).
See: http://supreme.justia.com/us/539/558/case.html, notice the pagination. -
- CommentAuthordvd
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2007 edited
A lawyer would cite the Scalia dissent using a jumpcite ie: Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 582 (2003).
I think a lawyer would cite that as:
Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 582 (2003) (Scalia, J., dissenting).
It's not clear, but I'm guessing you're talking about developing an ontology for citing legal sources in non-legal research. Is that true?
Lawyers, I think, would generalize sources into four broad categories: cases, statutes, journal articles, secondary reference materials. A case is a case. We cite to decisions in cases. There may be various decisions in the life of a case, and each will have its associated documents, primarily briefs, but we make all references in terms of the decision.
Sometimes for important cases that have many decisions, we'll number them, e.g. Handschu I, Handschu II, and so on. But those are like nicknames we use as shorthand to refer to the decisions, and we use them in citations like:
Handschu v. Special Servs. Div., 349 F. Supp. 766 (S.D.N.Y. 1972) (Handschu I)
Whereas you could probably scrape the dissent info from Lexis or another source, I don't think you could do it for the short name. -
- CommentAuthorbill
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2007 edited
Of course, the "(Scalia, J. dissenting)" is missing but I was trying to supply an example that can be supported by current metadata fields stored in the Zotero database. There is simply no way that a Zotero translator (javascript screen-scraper) today is going to reliably discern what page ranges are attributed to what justice(s).
A lawyer or student will simply need to add this manually (and probably the jump cite too) after exporting the citation from Zotero. The goal should be to "do the simple thing first." -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2007
It's not clear, but I'm guessing you're talking about developing an ontology for citing legal sources in non-legal research. Is that true?
Yes, but one that can be useful for legal people too, or least extended to do so (RDF is designed for extension). So we want the basics right, and perhaps leave details to others.
I talked to someone I know who used to work for Lexis-Nexis, and his argument was it"s best to just focus on documents. The example I gave him (which he seemed to like) was:
<http://ex.net/1> a bibo:LegalDocument ;
dcterms:title "Brown v. Board of Education" ;
dcterms:issued "1954-05-17" ;
bibo:argued "1952-12-09" ;
bibo:argued "1953-12-08" ;
bibo:court <http://ex.net/courts/uss> ;
bibo:volume "247" ;
bibo:pageStart "483" ;
bibo:reverses <http://ex.net/2> ;
dcterms:isPartOf <http://ex.net/3> .
<http://ex.net/3> a bibo:CourtReporter ;
bibo:shortTitle "U.S." .
This is RDF, so you have to visualize a graph. So imagine:
<http://ex.net/1> --- bibo:reverses ---> <http://ex.net/2>
I'm now thinking it might be better to have a subclass of LegalDocument called LegalDecision (along with LegalBrief; we already have Statute).
Does that sound sensible? -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeSep 20th 2007
I'm now thinking it might be better to have a subclass of LegalDocument called LegalDecision ...
Hmm ... not sure that works for a dissent; does it? Maybe LegalOpinion? -
- CommentAuthordvd
- CommentTimeSep 21st 2007
First, at least on Lexis, you could scrape the dissent info, but I don't think that's true for concurrences.
As for showing the relationships, have you ever looked at a Shepard's? It's been a while since I've used the book form, but I wonder if it would be useful to look at. Next time I'm in the law library I'll take a look. If I recall correctly, it has a case citation, and then under it a list of all subsequent citing cases.
(Sorry if this is stuff you already know). Shepard's online shows all prior and subsequent rulings in a case. Then it will also show all cases and journal articles that cite to the case. It specifies if a subsequent case overrules, distinguishes, questions, affirms the holding in the subject case. I'm not sure whether it will show a case that has overturned the subject case even if the subject case is not explicitly cited. Also, sometimes a case is overruled in part. And another problem, often a decision will overrule a whole bunch of cases. Btw, I'd use "overrule", rather than reverse.
I do agree that starting with LegalDocument makes more sense. Maybe Opinion and Dissent should be subclasses of Decision. -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeSep 21st 2007
I do agree that starting with LegalDocument makes more sense. Maybe Opinion and Dissent should be subclasses of Decision.
So you're saying:
LegalDocument
Decision
Dissent
Opinion
I was thinking:
LegalDocument
Opinion
Decision
Dissent
If I'm wrong, can you quickly explain why? -
- CommentAuthordvd
- CommentTimeSep 22nd 2007
Yes, I think this is the way to do it:
LegalDocument
Decision
Opinion
Concurrence
Dissent
The way I would explain it, though I don't have much authority for this is that the opinion is the explanation of the majority's result in the decision. The dissent is addressed to the opinion. Concurrences agree with the judgment, but disagree with the rationale in the opinion.
See this as an example:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html -
- CommentAuthorbdarcus
- CommentTimeSep 24th 2007 edited
dvd: let me just make sure you understand the technical dimension to what you are saying. If we say a Decision is a subclass of a LegalDocument, then we are saying "all Decision documents are also Legal documents." If we search for all LegalDocument examples in a proper RDF store, for example, we will get back Decisions as well (including its subclasses).
So in your hierarchy, you are saying Opinion, Concurrence and Dissent are all also Decisions.
Is that what you intend? -
- CommentAuthordvd
- CommentTimeSep 24th 2007
You're right on bdarcus. Thanks for clarifying. That's not what I intended. What I mean is that opinions, concurrences, and dissents are parts of a decision. How would you represent that relationship in RDF? -
- CommentAuthorgrieth
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2007
the terms 'opinion' and 'dissent' are very much a part of US culture, but elsewhere the nomenclature is different. In Australia, the hierachy would, if real details of structure were desired, probably be like this:
1. Legal Document
1.1 Judgement
1.1.1 Orders
1.1.1 Reasons
1.1.1.1 Majority
1.1.1.1.1 Ratio
1.1.1.1.1Concurs
1.1.1.1 Minority
The term 'case' is difficult as it is casually used to refer to a judgement, but more strictly refers to one cause or proceeding through the courts. I don't think that a 'case' is properly a legal document. Rather, legal documents (including judgements) would belong to a case.
It would be unfortunate if the standards focused on Lexis or other commercial providers, rather than the LII's, particularly as the LII's in some areas are now the most used sources (eg austlii.edu.au is now the most used service in australia).
Hope this adds to the discussion.
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